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Trouble rendering – The Biscardi Challenge
I’m working on a project that is a little weird and I’m having trouble rendering my timeline. The project is for a childrens hospital and involves scrolling the names of all their donors who give over $1000 in a single year. The project will be viewed using special “video wall” software that will allow us to project a resolution of 2559 x 480. However the monitors will be rotated 90 degrees so they stand like a long column.
We are working in a photo Jpeg. The backgrounds were done by the guys at Skywalker Ranch in California and they look great. The scrolling lettering was accomplished by producting the text in photoshop and then using the motion tab to rotate the text from 480 x 2559 to a displayed position of 2559 x 480. We also use the motion tab to move the text from Right to Left. When the monitors are turned on their sides this motion will appear to move from bottom to top – just like the scrolling text we are all used to. Obviously several layers of text are needed to make this appear as a consistant roll.
The problem is that once I get to anything more than one layer the rendering just quits or it gives me a general error. I’m using a non-Intel Dual core processor with 4GB of RAM and have Final Cut 5.0. It works flawlessly with everything else we are doing. Clearly this project is a bit of an odd duck.
Obviously I’m taxing the system. We did this project before and used HDV footage for the background that was shot on it’s side and expanded to the limits of 2559 and it worked great. Now the backgrounds are true 2259 and that is giving us huge fits. I’ve turned off all other programs and I’m careful not to tax the system in any other way.
How can we make this render?
I know Walter Biscardi must get tired of answering the same questions all the time so I thought I would give him this one for a real challenge.
Richard Martz
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Is it truly FCP 5.0 or are you running 5.1.4? 5.0 was VERY buggy and prone to render errors.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
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Good Morning Walter. You are correct that it is 5.1.4
Richard Martz
MagicMartz MediaFinal Cut Pro HD
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One thing we are experimenting with now is rendering the photoshop file sequence separately from the background and exproting that as a quicktime file. Then we would bring that back in as a single layer over the background to eliminate the problems we seem to have in dealing with multiple layers of moving images (photoshop jpegs).
Richard Martz
MagicMartz MediaFinal Cut Pro HD
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I’ve never done a project with those frame sizes, but really don’t see why it would be such a problem for FCP to render that out. 4:4:4 HD footage would be much larger data rates than what you’re trying to render and FCP handles those rates just fine.
I guess one thing to try is simply chop up your clips in the timeline into smaller chunks and then trying render all. Maybe FCP will be happier if it does not have to render one very large file and render a bunch of smaller files instead?
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Broadcast and independent productions.All Things Apple Podcast! https://cowcast.creativecow.net/all_things_apple/index.html
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Wouldn’t be easier to do all this in After Effects?
Stuart Ferreyra
Timecode Multimedia
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Or motion ;-)?
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Maybe …but bhis is not a complex layering job – it is just superimposing text over the background. That is why we chose to put it into Final Cut.
Richard Martz
MagicMartz MediaFinal Cut Pro HD
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[Stuart Ferreyra] ”
Wouldn’t be easier to do all this in After Effects?”For something like this? It’s a very simple thing he’s doing and FCP should be able to handle this.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
https://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Broadcast and independent productions.All Things Apple Podcast! https://cowcast.creativecow.net/all_things_apple/index.html
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Yeah, but AE handles odd frame sizes much better than FCP, in my experience. AE really doesn’t care what you do in terms of frame size/frame rate. FCP wants you to be locked in to standard sizes/frame rates, even though it gives you the option of moving outside of them.
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It is a very simple thing and should be possible in Final Cut, but After Effects renders scrolling type much more cleanly than FCP.
Joe Murray
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