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Towards a better NLE
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[Bernard Newnham] “Your arms didn’t last too long. “
You’re missing the fact that it was also a fitness device.
😉
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki -
[Oliver Peters] “Simply questioning the premise that roles and keywords are a deciding factor.”
It’s odd. You posted that “FCPX in Europe” thread in which all he was doing was showing people using these tools in X. You called his presentation “excellent”.
He made the same points that many of us have been making for years, and got no push back. That thread got 0 replies. Speed speed speed. He kept saying that over and over. Replies to this day ZERO.
Just kind of funny : )
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[Oliver Peters] “How do you think the state of an application advances? “
Professionally versus whining. Maybe if he said “I know a bunch of colleagues talked about this idea and I think it would help”. Or “this is an idea I had that can help, whether you are doing wedding videos or films”. Instead he “I wants” us to death about his particular workflow. Just was annoying to me and possibly me only.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
https://vimeo.com/channels/1322525
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
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[Scott Witthaus] “Just was annoying to me and possibly me only.”
Yanny or Laurel ☺
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Thank goodness for people like Mike Figgis who are ready to think up ideas beyond the narrow parameters of what the world’s largest corporations think fit to spoon feed us.”
I think you misspelled Randy Ubillos?
(just teasing, of course.)
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Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Simon Ubsdell] “This new video by Alan Bell A.C.E. advances the case for some intriguing innovations:”
Visual grouping and markup metadata. Per user visual overlays. All interesting ideas.
From a practical standpoint, it seems like it would be really hard to implement visual markup and keep track of it, let alone have it look good, make sense, and actually help or add to the editing process. As soon as you bounce to another view, or change the size of text or thumbs or shuffle clips around, all of a sudden the software has to keep track of where the clips were in space, where it’s visual metadata is and is pointed to, and also reach out to any cloud based programs or PDFs or other documents to make sure the attachments are updated and in sync, and then all of that info would need to get described in a database for interchange.
I do think that his points pertain to the limits of a bin structure. I never really liked bins as they are too hierarchical. Clips in bins can be described and sorted in one place. If you need the clip to be in multiple bins, you have to physically duplicate the clip, and then any relationship to the first location is broken. FCPX does have ways to skirt this limitation. No, they aren’t visual, but FCPX tags and collections certainly allow a very quick grouping and drill down of visual assets based on metadata, as well as maintaining a bird’s eye (and very visual) view of all assets. This is something that bins rarely offer.
Per user metadata is interesting. I could see that being implemented fairly easily as long as the host app supports multiple users (of course we all know, FCPX does not).
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I do think that his points pertain to the limits of a bin structure.”
Agreed.
There has to be a better model and I don’t think any NLE has yet come close to addressing the issue.
FCP X does recognise that what is ultimately more useful than mere containers is “tagging” but I don’t think they’ve really done that much to run with that concept.
Tagging, of course, can be generated quite separately from the NLE in ways that are very useful and more useful than tagging that’s NLE-specific.
I do think that a much more radical approach to NLE design would be interesting (see my other thread on this topic). FCPX for all its novelty is still mired in traditional conventions just as much as the competition.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki -
[Bernard Newnham] “Your arms didn’t last too long. “
You were “holding it wrong”! 🙂
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[Mark Raudonis] “You were “holding it wrong”! :)”
That joke definitely deserves a round of applause.
Well played, sir.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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I do agree there should be able to be more textual information in the browser. I wish you could actually read markers without having to double click them in FCP X.
But what’s interesting to me about his ideas is they all add more work. Im not sure any of this is saving time. Maybe keeping better organized, but at the expense of more effort. The real innovation will come from AI assistance in organizing and finding material. Including, but not limited to, automatic transcription. This is the true bleeding edge and I find it interesting that’s not even in his thought process.
Software developers have to look years ahead. I just don’t think his vision is forward thinking enough.
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