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Towards a better NLE
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[Oliver Peters] “Those next-gen people will shift to Resolve and HitFilm.”
Maybe,
But unless you can articulate how those better deal with what I see as the CENTRAL issue of our time – the explosion of available data to manage and the need to automate as much organization and assembly as possible – I’ll withhold my assessment.
I don’t see stuff like keywords, magnetic assembly, and Roles in those – ALL of which arguable address this central issue.
THOSE are the keys to X.
Not how it does what the others do – but free-er. ????
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Bill Davis] “I don’t see stuff like keywords, magnetic assembly, and Roles in those – ALL of which arguable address this central issue.
THOSE are the keys to X”Sure. Of course they are. And those are things that I’d bet the vast majority of users could care less about. Other than magnetic timeline, can you honestly say that you see a lot of people who use X that actually make use of these functions? Or do they merely accept the defaults and slap stuff together in the timeline? I’d venture to say the latter is a far greater number among those that edit with X. I don’t believe roles and keywords sell X to anyone who is a new user.
However, if you look at intuitive to learn and low/cost or free, then Resolve and HitFilm are on equal footing (in my mind and from what I’ve observed) to X. Then add more versatile/comprehensive workflow options and platform-agnostic, and it makes a compelling case.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Bill Davis] “Kinda turned out fewer people than he likely imagined saw his solution as a huge advance.”
That’s certainly the danger here, too.
[Bill Davis] “But as an X editor, I will note that the REASON the Browser works so well in X is because it’s not a thing unto itself – it’s an ASPECT of a larger scheme that includes the entire RANGE ideas, Keywording, Magnetic Assembly – and more. All integrated into a wholistic thing”
And as someone who edits with “all of the above”, I have always contended that X’s organizational design really isn’t all that much different than everyone else’s. Range selection is the biggest difference, and the “smart” aspects are more refined. But, in general, it’s an iteration of what came before it.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Oliver Peters] “Other than magnetic timeline, can you honestly say that you see a lot of people who use X that actually make use of these functions? Or do they merely accept the defaults and slap stuff together in the timeline? I’d venture to say the latter is a far greater number among those that edit with X. I don’t believe roles and keywords sell X to anyone who is a new user.”
Wow. ABSOLUTELY and EVERY DAY.
Do you spend ANY time on the X oriented boards at all?
The VAST majority of questions in those boards, some of which have tens of thousands of users are at the EXACT SAME level you’d expect to find in any other software community.
Are there Noobs who don’t use all the aspects of the software? Sure. But you’ll find the exact same mix of people on the Premiere Pro and AVID boards. X has been growing for SEVEN YEARS – and it’s boards are RIFE with intelligent, informed discussions about EVERY SINGLE aspect of X use.
And in the multiple “Professional Use” X boards – there are thousands more participants who ONLY use X to make their livings and know and discuss the software at precisely the same level that people discuss AVID or any other NLE on boards oriented towards them.
This post really disappoints me about your perception of X, Oliver.
Imagine if I were to opine publicly, that only a small fraction of Premier Pro users do anything other than use it’s MOST basic functions. If I were to assert that most CC editors really don’t use Lumetri. Few really uses Audio functions on the timeline beyond the basics. And that editors using Premier Pro to do professional work are just somehow, an exception.
I suspect if I posted something like that about Premiere – I’d be met with derision and scorn. And rightly so. And sorry, but that you would frame this question in a similar manner is surprising.
At heart, I have NO idea of how many X users are fluent in Roles. And YOU don’t have any idea of what percentage of Premier Pro users know how to properly apply an audio Limiter.
Millions are provably relying on FCP X to make a buck. And I assume exactly the same for the Adobe Solutions.
I don’t think it’s necessary to cast that type of shade on either.
I’m disappointed in this post, Oliver.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Bill Davis] “This post really disappoints me about your perception of X, Oliver.”
My perceptions of X as related to new-ish users, is based an seeing how they actually edit and seeing those that have struggled with which application makes sense to them. That’s on top of my own use of it.
[Bill Davis] “If I were to assert that most CC editors really don’t use Lumetri. Few really uses Audio functions on the timeline beyond the basics.”
Actually you’d probably be right.
[Bill Davis] “At heart, I have NO idea of how many X users are fluent in Roles. And YOU don’t have any idea of what percentage of Premier Pro users know how to properly apply an audio Limiter. “
Agreed. We are only going by our own anecdotal perceptions.
[Bill Davis] “Millions are provably relying on FCP X to make a buck.”
Hmm… I think you are being highly optimistic. 2.5 million users doesn’t mean millions are making a buck with it. Maybe a few hundred thousand at best. There are plenty of casual users who buy professional applications simply for a hobby. Logic Pro X would likely be a good example of this, too.
[Bill Davis] “I don’t think it’s necessary to cast that type of shade on either.”
Not casting any shade. Simply questioning the premise that roles and keywords are a deciding factor. Ignoring those is a perfectly valid way to work and many do so quite successfully.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Bill Davis] “And in the multiple “Professional Use” X boards – there are thousands more participants who ONLY use X to make their livings and know and discuss the software at precisely the same level that people discuss AVID or any other NLE on boards oriented towards them. “
Can you link up some good X boards? All i know are the FB groups. Didnt really find much with a google search.
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[Bill Davis] “Two time Academy Award Wining director Mike Figis wanted to improve on camerawork, so he partnered with Manfrotto to offer a circular gizmo with the idea that it would improve ease of shooting in at least certain situations.”
The Fig Rig was an absolutely brilliant concept that worked magically well – in a wide variety of situations.
If ever there was beauty in simplicity, this was it.
Thank goodness for people like Mike Figgis who are ready to think up ideas beyond the narrow parameters of what the world’s largest corporations think fit to spoon feed us.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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I tried the Fig Rig – jolly uncomfortable, you didn’t miss anything. You had to hold the thing out in front of you with all those bits hung on it. Your arms didn’t last too long. I worked a large number of hours, days and weeks with a Sony VX1000 – hand in the standard handhold, gun mic on a stills photographer’s flash bar. A whole lot better and a whole lot cheaper.
Bernie
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Is it only me or are there others that watched this video and thought “why is this guy whining so much”? Perhaps some good ideas in there but most of what I heard was “I want, I want, I want”. I was waiting for that idea to be presented that jumped out at me but it never came. We have very different workflows and use very different NLE’s. Just my walk away feeling after spending 7 minutes watching.
Oh and he should add Apple to the list of companies he sends his ideas to….just sayin.
Scott Witthaus
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[Scott Witthaus] “but most of what I heard was “I want, I want, I want”.”
How do you think the state of an application advances? By listening to user suggestions and requests. It doesn’t always work to be delivered on tablets down from Mount Cupertino.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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