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  • TOLIS closed — recommendations for LTO backup moving forward?

     Tim v d Hoff updated 1 week, 6 days ago 11 Members · 18 Posts
  • Martin Jaeger

    October 23, 2020 at 3:39 pm

    I trialed Cannister. It would not recognize my tape drive. This could easily be some faulty setup on my part but I could not manage to trouble-shoot with the limited info from their site. It also appears to only be capable of archiving a single directory source at a time. I was not able to cue multiple folders.. again, it may have this capability but I was not able to determine so from their site or fumbling for myself.

    My trials with YoYotta have been much more productive. Their support was very responsive to my inane questions! Their helpful presence in this forum is appreciated. The exaustive how-to’s on the website are awesome! As has been mentioned, it is a bit overkill for my needs but it’s extensive capabilities may come in handy down the line. Will take some time for my BRU-brain to adapt! I think YoYatta would do well to offer a simplified UI mode.. only exposing the advanced stuff when needed.

    I received no response from my inquires to the Imagine Products folks.. I’ll chalk it up to business disruption like many of us are experiencing. Some of the user reviews I was able to find were pretty mixed. They make other well-regarded tools so I wonder..

    YoYatta is about to get my $500.

  • James Vorley

    October 24, 2020 at 2:41 am

    My preferred solution for deep archive is Archiware. It’s a very mature product and the support is excellent. It’s doesn’t use LTFS but arguably that’s a strength for deep archive.

    Have heard good things about Yoyotta but do not have any direct experience with it.

    Stay away from Storage DNA. Very poor support.

  • Bob Zelin

    October 25, 2020 at 12:11 am

    I am fascinated by your reply, a few minutes ago on a Saturday evening. You are happy with $5000 Archiware P5 archive software, in addition to your very expensive LTO hardware solution (and God only knows what your LTO library solution may be, which is even more expensive) – but you are horrified by also deadly expensive Storage DNA solutions in Los Angeles.

    I guess reasonably solutions from YoYotta, Hedge, and Imagine Products are just not good enough for you. I would bet money, Mr. Vorley, that you are an employee of your company, and that you do not own your editorial firm – because if you did – I would wager to say that if you owned your own editorial firm, you would never consider either Archiware P5 or Storage DNA.

    But what the hell do I know. I am one of those loser people that relied on the old Tolis BRU PE, and now Imagine Products PreRoll Post, YoYotta, or Hedge Canister. I wish I could be as accomplished as you.

    Bob Zelin

  • James Vorley

    October 25, 2020 at 10:26 pm

    Hi Bob!

    You are correct in that I do not own a company.

    Archiware actually represents very good value for money when you consider it can do both archive and true backup (eg nightly backup of a constantly changing file system, with point in time restores).

    What’s the cost of losing all your ongoing edit project metadata? I would hazard a guess at a lot more than $5k.

    We both know I will never be as accomplished as you, Bob. I would never dream of even suggesting that.


  • Tim Jones

    October 26, 2020 at 4:45 pm

    We’re not gone and BRU’s not dead :). Keep your eyes peeled for an important announcement this week.

  • Tim Jones

    November 3, 2020 at 10:28 pm

    In case you missed it, the BRU technologies and products are being brought under the OWC banner.

  • Tim Gerhard

    November 10, 2020 at 7:59 pm

    I’m responsible for the MagStor LTO brand and get to play with most of the software out there.

    For MAC desktop drives using LTFS you have YoYotta, Imagine Products (myLTO + PreRollPost) as the only real options in my opinion. Then there is Hedge, which was mentioned before…

    YoYotta ($490) you get the full package with verification and a catalog of your tape history. The unique kicker with YoYotta that I enjoy the most is that it detects your drive brand and generation automatically and adjusts accordingly. You can even mix/match drives. Support is based out of the UK, but is responsive and I rarely get complaints.

    myLTO ($299) The best value pick for light users. It runs your LTFS and runs verification. No catalog, but it can export a report afterwards that you could consider a poor mans database. Support is out of USA.

    PreRollPost ($499) This is from the same company as myLTO and has a database with other features. To my knowledge it’s going away in favor to be rolled into the myLTO package as an add-on since it’s older code.

    Hedge ($299) As someone else said, their site is really lacking information. When I installed a demo to play with it seemed very basic and not much a step up from the free LTFS software that you’re prompted to download for it to talk to.


    For Windows desktop drives LTFS

    XenData Workstation 6 ($495) pretty much the only paid desktop option out there that I know of for Windows. Keeps a database of your tapes and runs verification.

    IBM LTFS / HP LTFS / Quantum LTFS etc. are all the same IBM Spectrum Archive software. On Windows verification is less of an issue in my opinion running NTFS, but there’s still always a chance. I say use free LTFS only for some light read-jobs. You’re spending a few thousand+ on hardware, what is $500?



    Archiware has a desktop edition now that is about $1680, and covers both backup/archive. They do have an LTFS import/export tool, but the real point of the software uses TAR. Backup is more setup a schedule and backup your data, and archive is well set it there and leave it alone forever. Their library edition is when you start getting in that 4-5k+ range, which isn’t so bad if you’re running a big library. Granted Archiware is not an LTFS system, it’s a healthy company that offers a robust feature set.

    Retrospect is one of those oldies that is still around. They do ok for backup on MAC. If you have an LTO7 or above steer clear on their Windows edition. They overwrite the manufacturers LTO driver and use their own SLOW driver built for LTO4 drives, and if you don’t keep a steady stream of 100MB/s + on an LTO7 or LTO8, you’re destroying the drive.

    Xen Data and StorageDNA are LTFS appliances for bigger libraries and both have their places in larger setups. Consider these in the 25k+ range to start. Xen Data is US based and I believe StorageDNA is based out of India.

    Spectra Logic and Quantum are for people that want to spend 10x more than a XenData or StorageDNA system. According to Xen Data, the Spectra Logic Blackpearl does a proprietary LTFS that you won’t be able to use with anything else….. defeating the purpose of LTFS.

    BRU – Dead or Not? We’ll see, but the last few years I thought this forum was just the BRU tech support page. From what I gather, OWC does docks and little gadgets, not sure how they will fare with tech support on software. OWC has resources so let’s hope they make things better and we won’t see all the tech support on these forums.

    Anyway back to my cave to sell these above mentioned software packs and hardware.

  • Tim v d Hoff

    February 19, 2021 at 2:58 pm

    Hi all,

    I wanted to add to this conversation as we’re also in the process of migrating from BRU PE to some other LTO solution. We run a couple edit stations on a shared storage system (QNAP TVS-871T) .

    I have tried Canister on several occasions and liked the no hassle easy interface, but it’s lacking options at this time. I’ve been in touch with the company and they seem to have some plans to connect the software to Hedge and other tools that might form a nice integrated package including catalogs and previews etc. But so far it’s unclear when that will happen.

    YoYotta would be a good option for us. I was a bit overwhelmed by the software when using a demo, but it seems like one of the few tried and tested solutions out there. Just have to go through the learning curve and adapt to the software.

    We’re presently running a trial of Archiware P5 Desktop. Not only do they have a very nice 50% trade in offer for existing BRU customers (which will get you a fully working backup and archiving solution for about $600) but it also comes as an app which installs directly on your NAS. This frees up your workstation and you can manage your backups directly from the same web interface as your NAS. I did have to buy and install a separate SAS interface card ($250) in my QNAP system to hook up the tape drive.

    It’s clear though that this software has been designed for large companies with intricate backup schemes and not so much with the more straightforward video business needs in mind. It does however generate catalogs with still/video previews (supposedly, haven’t figured out how to get it to work yet).

    If this direct-from-NAS archiving works well, we’ll go with them. If not, we’re probably going to get a copy of YoYotta. If you have any questions or things you’d like me to test with this set-up, let me know!

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