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  • Title-safe is dead

    Posted by J on July 14, 2006 at 7:34 pm

    Title and action safe areas were made as a safeguard against old, innaccurate monitors. Technology advances, monitors become more accurate. One result is the network identifying bugs in the lower right of most broadcast shows. A second example is animated pop-ups pushing their way onto the screen during one show to advertise another show.

    Can these shifts in what is acceptable for broadcast (Especially in Hi-Def) open up the edge of the canvas for design? Could this mean we’ll no longer need to design for the center of the screen?

    Grant Lovering replied 19 years, 9 months ago 13 Members · 15 Replies
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  • Accountclosedduetonorealnameused

    July 14, 2006 at 7:42 pm

    no

  • Accountclosedduetonorealnameused

    July 14, 2006 at 7:42 pm

    unless you like to do stuff over again.

  • Aharon Rabinowitz

    July 14, 2006 at 7:58 pm

    until the government forces my parents to get rid of that box they get their media fix from, the answer is No.

    We have to keep doing it this way until enough people are on modern TV’s, and probably not even then…

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  • Aharon Rabinowitz

    July 14, 2006 at 8:00 pm

    On the other hand – if you are animating speciffically for a Flat panel – such as a store display..etc. you *MIGHT* be able to get aweay with it.

    But it’s not safe to do that, as Varangian said, unless you want to do it again.

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  • Jack Hilkewich

    July 14, 2006 at 8:09 pm

    Hey you guys posts don’t grow on trees yah know. Try and fit all your thoughts into one post. ok?

  • Jack Hilkewich

    July 14, 2006 at 8:10 pm

    Is everyone clear on that?

  • Walter Biscardi

    July 14, 2006 at 8:11 pm

    As soon as a network gives me a Producer’s Guidebook that says “Title Safe is no longer relevant” we all need to live with it. Title safe lives as long as the networks tell me it does.

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  • Mylenium

    July 14, 2006 at 8:18 pm

    [J Hofius] “Title and action safe areas were made as a safeguard against old, innaccurate monitors. Technology advances, monitors become more accurate. One result is the network identifying bugs in the lower right of most broadcast shows. A second example is animated pop-ups pushing their way onto the screen during one show to advertise another show.

    Can these shifts in what is acceptable for broadcast (Especially in Hi-Def) open up the edge of the canvas for design? Could this mean we’ll no longer need to design for the center of the screen?”

    Who told you this little fairytale? Even LCD’s have non-usable areas of up to 5% (the cheaper the set, the larger the margin), the average is something like 1-3%. Granted, it’s much better than old tubes, but it’s still with us and it will be so for quite a while. Sorry, any announcements about the death of safe areas are untrue and premature. They may become smaller, but they won’t disappear.

    Mylenium

    [Pour Myl

  • Matt Silverman

    July 14, 2006 at 10:19 pm

    Plasmas still cut off about 10%, so Action Safe is still relevant. If you saw everything you will notice a lot of boom-mikes, blanking, closed-captioning, and all the other crap that gets left in there by folks like us who know it will never be seen.

    Action Safe and Title Safe have never been a “regulated” standard. If you are designing a promo for a client like Discovery Channel, they might request staying within title safe, but it isn’t like broadcast safe colors… if I have a spot airing on Discovery I can violate it all I want. I disregard title-safe all the time on TV spots. Sometimes clients like to cheat it. Sometimes I just do it for design. It is purely a recommendation to make sure that the text is going to be readable. You can ignore Action-Safe if you like as well, but I can’t see a logical reason to do so on broadcast spots. We do it all the time designing for LCD’s (which generally do not have any cutoff).

    -Matt

  • Daniel Christie

    July 15, 2006 at 2:03 pm

    The networks seem to be staying within Title Safe and even 4:3 safe less and less even though they are still broadcasting in 4:3 on analogue. How many sets these days actually cut 20% (I have one that is about 10 years old and comes pretty close)?

    Action Safe it seems is the new Title Safe.

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