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Title 3d scale change in dissolve
Hi All,
I just had the worst online experience of my life two days ago. Leaving aside a bunch of appallingly set up gear with mis-labeled cables that cost us an hour and a half, my main problem was that I had created all the lower thirds in Title 3d and on every dissolve on and off, when I rendered them, they flicked to a different scale for the dissolve. The sequences were 10 bit 16×9 PAL and they all looked fine in the realtime preview. I ended up doing an opacity change but we lost lots of time and seriously buggered up the delivery. Let alone making me look stupid. Oh and before you ask, motion was rendering too slowly for me to use given the last minute changes I knew I would be making.
So, my questions are, firstly, what the hell is going on there?
And secondly, why can I find no other posts about this anywhere? Surely I’m not alone.
Cheers,
Toby
Toby Angwin
Director
Soup Kitchen Films
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I’ve only seen Title3D shifting in realtime preview, never on final render. And I use Title3D for all my lower third work so I would definitely notice if something was amiss there.
There isn’t some accidental motion keyframe or scale keyframe at the beginning of your title is there?
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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No, keyframes, nothing like that. I even did a remove attributes just in case but there was nothing to remove. It happened uniformly on each dissolve on each separate title.
I actually just spoke to a friend having the same problem.
Hmmm it sounds like a PAL problem to me. Typical.
Cheers,
Toby
Toby Angwin
Director
Soup Kitchen Films
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[Toby Angwin] ”
Hmmm it sounds like a PAL problem to me. Typical.”I’ve done several shows in 1080i/50 and haven’t seen that show up here. Are you guys all working in SD or HD?
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR
The new Color Training DVD now available from the Creative Cow! -
I’ve fortunately not had this exact problem either, but I have had similar problems with objects (usually any type of graphics, Title3D or otherwise) jumping on renders. Doesn’t happen often anymore, but it seemed to be somehow tied to big projects with tons of media. Strange.
I would do when this happened is use the render manager and get rid of all my render files, quit FCP, and then trash the prefs and cache. (I think there’s a free script floating around out there that will do this for you.) Open up FCP, re-do all my prefs (I have a saved sequence for this) and then render. It’s worked for me every time, though I honestly can’t remember the last time I’ve had to do this.
Hope this helps in the future!
Winston A. Cely
Editor/Owner | Della St. Media, LLC“If God could do the tricks we can do, He’d be a happy Man.” – Peter O’Toole – “The Stuntman”
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Hello Walter
Just a curiosity question – You say you use Title 3D for all your lower third work. As far as I can tell it’ll only do a text layer. What if your lower third needs a solid color, logo, picture, shape, something like that? Do you then move over to LiveType or Motion? Or do you build the lower third on your FCP timeline layers, just using Title 3D for the text layer.
I use Boris Graffiti for lower thirds because its very quick and has a good interface (almost identical to Title 3D). It is buggy, however. I’ve had lots of issues with things looking one way in Graffiti, then a different way when actually on my timeline.
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Hi,
I can assure you that you are not alone. We have had the same problem since moving to FCP 6.0 but only when dealing with PAL 16:9 anamorphic.
Are you dealing with 16:9 SD PAl ? If so, are ALL the clips below the Title 3D (including any clips in nests) set to anamorphic if they are 16:9, Check the properties of each clip in the sequence.
In our case we find that the anamorphic flag disappears at times and then the Title 3D above these clips scales vertically during transitions.
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I know you asked Walter this, but I’d like to chime in on this as well, if that’s OK? 😉
My general practice for lower thirds is to use a combination of Title3D and either a Solid Color or Vector Shape Generators. If there’s movement everything is keyable, and if not a simple Fade transition works wonders.
If I need to “kick it up a notch” – to use the parlance of our times – I’ll go into Motion. From what I understand in the new Studio 2 you are able to change many attributes of Motion files inside FCP. I, however, am still working with Studio 1 – not changing what’s not broke. If I have multiple lower thirds I love the program AutoMotion from DigitalHeaven.com This allows you to make a template, and then rattle off as many lower thirds as you need, all with specific information to them, in a matter of seconds. It’s worth it’s weight in gold!
Winston A. Cely
Editor/Owner | Della St. Media, LLC“If God could do the tricks we can do, He’d be a happy Man.” – Peter O’Toole – “The Stuntman”
Mac Pro 3GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
4 GB RAM | Final Cut Studio 5.1.4 | Aja Kona LHe -
Hi Matt,
Good to hear it’s happening elsewhere. I’d love to know why.
No everything was 16×9. There was only the base layer and an animated lower 3rd under the text, all flagged properly. But I will check again as it was one of those projects where anything that could go wrong, did.
Cheers,
Toby
Toby Angwin
Director
Soup Kitchen Films
https://www.soupkitchenfilms.net
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