Title 3D looks quilted after render

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Great Titles with the DV Codec
By Philip Hodgetts

https://www.creativecow.net/articles/hodgetts_philip/titles/index.html

Lots of basics there.

[David Roth weiss]

[George Strother] “Using Title 3D in an NTSC DV project, the text looks perfect when the cursor is paused over it, before it is rendered. Looks great in canvas, viewer, Sony PVM monitor and JVC D20L LCD.

After Best Quality render the text is so blocky it looks quilted on all monitors, playing or paused. On a 13″ PVM the blocks are big as the ends of wooden match sticks.

Is there a fix?”

David’s Stock Answer #1

Text and graphics get compressed to the DV codec when rendered. This is because the sequence settings and compressor are set to the codec of your source video in order to provide optimal real-time playback. This compresses your otherwise pristine graphics from the 4:2:2 color space in which you created them to the 4:1:1 color space of DV NTSC or the 4:2:0 color space of PAL DV.

THE SOLUTION

When editing is completed on your DV sequence, with all of your text, graphics, and Motion elements in place, open the Sequence — Settings and under Quicktime Video Settings change the Compressor from DV/DVCPRO to any codec with a better color space than DV, such as: DV50, ProRes, or uncompressed 8 or 10-bit, depending on the playback capabilities as determined by your hard drive sub-system. Then re-render the sequence. Its like magic…

Hope this helps…

David

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[Jeremy Garchow]

Is that text scaled at all?

If it’s scaled, did you use the motion tab or did you scale within the Title3D plug in?

SHould be scaled within the plugin and not the Motion tab.

Jeremy

[George Strother]

Thanks for the replies.

The direct answers are – I’ve been using the tips in the link for a decade or more, 10 bit uncompressed won’t really help much when it has to go back to DV tape, and the text isn’t scaled or repositioned in motion tab.

System specs are in my profile.

Like most of you I have been on FCP since v1, so I’m pretty familiar. I ran a dozen searches before I posted, hoping to find something like a plugin that has to be removed and reloaded. Again. Or a bug fix I had missed perhaps.

This blocking is about double or more what I usually see with Title 3D on DV projects that go to the client on DV masters. It’s never great but mostly not awful.

I’m also seeing that month old renders I made with Motion from the same opening sequence that’s being reused in this show had about 1/3 the blocking I’m getting today, rendered in Motion or FCP. Same story in LiveType. That is comparing old and new .mov clips back to back on a scratch timeline.

I probably have a conflict with some plugin or update, or new scope software or … Off to remove stuff, test, put that stuff back, etc. Blah.

Thanks for the suggestions though.

George
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[Jeremy Garchow]

[George Strother] “Thanks for the suggestions though. “

Can you post a still?

What happens with a different font?

[George Strother]

Changing fonts doesn’t help. I don’t have a handy way to post a still.

I keep clones of the last 3 versions of my boot partition (every update or addition), so I’ll go back to the system config when the renders were cleaner and then see what has changed. If I find something that isn’t exclusive to my setup I’ll post it here.

It doesn’t help that these titles are red (legal, barely), big (48 pt), bold and have capital Z in them. Can you say torture test?

George
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[Jeremy Garchow]

[George Strother] “It doesn’t help that these titles are red (legal, barely), big (48 pt), bold and have capital Z in them.”

No wonder. You’re hosed.

Change the color red to another color red, although red and dv don’t mix well at all.

Try making them in After Effects or photoshop with an alpha channel. THey might not get trashed as hard.

Jeremy

[George Strother]

It’s the client’s red that I have already toned down more than they want, but at least it’s in the bottom of the red box instead of off the scope like the PMS color. Maybe I can talk them into a nice pale yellow or blue, possibly beige?

I’ve tried the Photoshop alpha method without improvement.

My current focus is why renders come out worse now than a month ago. The red and the font haven’t changed, so something in my system probably has.

George
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[Wolfgang]

I am having the same problem, just in the last couple of months something changed.

So far, no answers from anybody. Just that text doesn’t work in FCP anymore.

like you, I have been using FCP since v1 and have most of the settings, and all that figured out. It’s not because of the DV timeline or any of that. It’s a bug that has just reared it’s ugly head.

I am working with Varicam/DVCProHD footage shot at 59.94. I have done
countless graphics in this codec and have never had this problem…

Help!!!!!!! Anyone.