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Time for FCPX to step up – collaboration
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[Bill Davis] “Tangier’s Billie Eilish nod is very relevant to my thinking.”
That was actually me Bill. The other brother ; )
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[Oliver Peters] “[Tony West] ” but he doesn’t seem to be complaining about not being able to work in the same library”
We shouldn’t lump “collaboration” into a single workflow. “
I’m not. Jeremy already listed examples of how it would improve his workflow and I acknowledged that in the same post.
“This is not to say that Morrison can’t benefit from being able to work in the same Library” see?
My point was that Morrison is in their ear, and unless you and Jeremy are also, we may not get the change.
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[Tony West] “I have Jeremy and that’s part of how I came to my conclusions. This video with Jonathan Morris on “collaboration” in X is a perfect example.”
I skipped to the end, and yes, no doubt shared & centralized storage does change the way you work and definitely eases some aspects of collaboration. But then after you get used to that, you realize there could be more…
[Tony West] “The elephant in the thread is, is the future trend working in groups in the same building or remotely?”
There’s a kinda flippant, but easy answer, and the answer is, “yes”. ☺
As entities (corporate, agency, whatever) gain in media requirements, usage, and delivery , a central pool of media and access to it, is more and more necessary as the ‘media department’ takes on more and more responsibility. But you may also need freelancers or outside agencies that will need access to that data as well, pulling from the same content and making all new uses with it. So it really is growing in both directions.
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[Tony West] “I’m not.”
I didn’t say you were. It was a general comment to point out that one person’s collaborative needs may be different than others. Morrison’s needs are different than that of a feature film team, for example.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Tony West] “The elephant in the thread is, is the future trend working in groups in the same building or remotely?”
There’s a kinda flippant, but easy answer, and the answer is, “yes”. ☺”
Well, as someone who works in that environment on a daily basis, I can firmly say that now and in the near future there will be a much greater need for on-premise collaboration (i.e. editing, etc) than remote collaboration (i.e. cloud-based editing).
Certainly the need to move assets around the globe via the “cloud” will increase, but this is typically a passive process. To have clients actively and interactively involved in the post-process via the cloud (excluding review & approval and pulling down deliverables) is a pure pipe dream. I can’t get the majority of clients to understand how to properly use Frame’s system or even send me a shareable DropBox link on the first attempt. So good luck with that remote part ☺
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Oliver Peters] “I can’t get the majority of clients to understand how to properly use Frame’s system or even send me a shareable DropBox link on the first attempt. So good luck with that remote part ☺”
I have the opposite experiences. I work with a lot of agencies. Some of the rising creative directors come from a post background, in that the used to push the buttons now they tell people to push the buttons what to do. In that process, the conversations we have are creative as well as technical. We can talk big picture, and we can talk software process. There are clients out of town that want to reach through the phone and work my computer. If we had remote collab, we could do just that. They show me exactly what they want, or get it started, and I finish. It could also help in our own edits where the clients, like yours, aren’t as familiar with process. We could collab, under the same roof, or remotely, and help each other.
No, not every client is like this, but more and more will be.
Side note, frame.io is not user friendly until you show someone how to comment, and then it’s very user friendly, at least that’s been my experience. The comment action isn’t obvious to everyone who has not used it.
There is simultaneous need for local and remote collab.
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Joe I agree with you on this point “I would more readily expect some kind of greatly improved AI-type media analysis.”
I would consider Apple to implement something like an AI-based method of marking when the slate claps on a video with no audio guide track; something that would make the process of manually having to sync video with no timecode and no audio waveforms to match to recorded audio with (I hope) at least a similar time stamp.
I look at what Adobe did with the AI reframing and again, it’s another one of those ‘c’mon Apple get with it’ moments. I am so accustomed to seeing Apple employing ease of use features in a range of their products that it’s striking to see them not implement features from other NLEs. Though surely they have their reasons and definitely their priorities. Of course we have be mindful of the memory and energy overhead any feature may cause on the (plugged in) system. I’d wager some features Apple wants to make available to mobile devices like laptops and iOS devices…eventually.
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PostLab update:
https://medium.hedgeformac.com/taking-the-re-out-of-relinking-2d983c5c839d
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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I had a brief fling with FCPX back in 2014-2015… cut an Oscar-nominated doc “What Happened, Miss Simone” on it and rather enjoyed it… except collaborating with the assistant was a pain. The our facility totally dumped FCPX becasue of the collaboration issue, as we often work on doc shows with two or three assistants and 3 or 4 editors… so we switched to Premiere and Avid.
I had to learn Avid from scratch at age 50, having originally learned on Premiere in the early 90s and FCP 1 thru 7… it was tough. But now I am spoiled rotten by two things about Avid:
1) ease of multi editor collaboration
2) SCRIPT SYNC!… we are lucky that we have budgets that allow for transcription, even in the FCP 7 days, and I had struggled for years to create workarounds to get ScriptSync-like features, such as pasting paragraphs into FCP7 markers which then become broadly searchable, etc. etc… even had a guy build some custom software for FCP7 back in 2015… and I was always shocked that no other NLE had this feature… so when i finally got on Avid, it was like my dream come true. All those wasted years!
We even pleaded with Apple reps who came to our shop during the Simone film to implement some sort of transcript integration, and they nodded their heads, but i guess they didn’t care… i get it, we are not their target audience etc. etc.. but still! I’m amazed no other NLEs have built-in transcript integration.
There’s lots of thing I could crack wise about in Avid (needing to render reverse clips? what century are we in?… though i hear its in the new version which we cant use yet), but I will never move from Avid until transcript integration happens elsewhere.
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Joshua I think many of us are on the same page in some ways. Some features are so unique to an NLE and particular workflow that it’s hard to move onto other platforms. Script sync for you is like roles for me. I can’t say it enough. I do not like track-based NLEs anymore. I still use them. I just don’t prefer them. Keywords (smart ones too) over bins for me. Realtime effect preview without even applying it, smooth playback, and fluidity of moving around the app…sign my up. That’s what FCP X is for me. Believe me, there are features from other apps I’d like FCP X to have like the PPro shape tool, AI reframing, perhaps even script sync, wider search options (grep-like) and more robust collaboration. Yet no other app just gets out of my way and let’s work almost as fast as I can think the way FCP X does. Granted it’s an app who’s development is fine tuned for Apple hardware.
My career hasn’t been built on having to work collaboratively with several editors often. I’ve been in post for about 18 years now and was one of the last classes in film school to use, touch, and splice celluloid film. I am not saying I don’t work collaboratively with other editors, but I haven’t had to simultaneously that much compared to the amount of time I work on my own before sending content to post sound and graphic designers. It seems like the content we’re editing, the workflows we’re a part of really dictate the tools we use; not to mention the embedded workflows and egos paired with unwillingness to try something new and in some workplaces.
I commend you for learning AVID after the others. That is a feat for sure.
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