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Throwing out the Kool Aid
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[Shane Ross] “David is a BIT farther north in Woodland Hills, right David?”
I’m actually in the “unsnooty” part of Brentwood, but I’m all for a lunch and beers in the Valley unless I can convince you three to come to these cooler environs. Let’s include Larry Sherwood too, so I can get him to buy me a beer. So, just name the date and time…
David
“No job is worth doing more than once…”
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Post-production Supervisor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
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[Don Wilson] “I really wish there were an “attic” like Avid has so a project can be resurrected by copying bins directly”
You can export an XML of an entire FCP projects, and restore from that with bins/sequences/everything in tact, but you have to be proactive about it. Do it once a day or something.
You can also export/import bins by themselves as XML.
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Don,
I would suspect that the Highpoint card is your lowpoint. I would recommend replacing it with the ATTO ExpressSAS R348. In all our testing with Highpoint, we didn’t have good luck and we’re talking extensive testing.
Jeff
P.S. I remember you from that small facility in the huts on Overland, owned by the Bronfmans.
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Jeremy,
Thanks, Yes, I did know that but I find it quite cumbersome, but if that’s it that’s it.
And I must say to others that I’m a bit perplexed as to why everyone is going down the drive path, even some to say that I said Sata sucks. Never said it and to the contrary I am a big fan. My HighPoint controlled Sata SAS array kicks butt. The problem is the project corruption. I more think it’s to do with V5 projects in V6. I erred by not being cautious enough when everything appeared to be going well. Any of the older projects pre V6(and I mean that I make new projects when we’ve done significant changes to warrant it’s independence) work fine, the new ones converted from V5 are the problem ones. If it’s a drive issue I’d be very surprised, but I’m listening.
Again, the error we kept getting out of nowhere was:
“this project may be too new or is unreadable by Final Cut Pro”
and we then started getting: error:memory full
…when we tried to render. Both issues out of the blue upon start up in the morning.
Don Wilson
AmericanaMediaInc.com
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[Don Wilson] “And I must say to others that I’m a bit perplexed as to why everyone is going down the drive path, even some to say that I said Sata sucks.”
Don,
1. I hope I didn’t give the wrong impression, as I think SATA drives and arrays are wonderful, but some SATA controllers are not, some SATA configurations are not, and some SATA enclosures are not.
2. There are many things you said which did give hardware and drive array warning signals.
3. Upgrading without first making a clone was your biggest mistake… I’ve been hammering that home on this and the FCP forums for weeks, I’m surprised you missed it, it was like Ground Hog Day.
“No job is worth doing more than once…”
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Post-production Supervisor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
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Don,
Just curious, which Caldigit unit are/were you running? I had problems with the S2VR 5-drive unit, but have been using an HDPro for the last couple of months with no issues.
Joe Murray
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Jeff –
with all due respect, your R348 is only capable of running 4 drives, and hi performance systems require the R380. I don’t know what kind of systems you are running there, but many people need faster performance than the R348 can provide.Bob Zelin
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Mr. Weiss writes –
Bob,I suspect that Don’s problems are possibly related to one of the following two quips from the Kona FAQ.
Q: Can I use eSata storage for HD?
A: AJA has yet to find and certify an eSata 8 drive JBOD solution for 10 Bit uncompressed HD that is reliable over time with the KONA cards. We continue to look for a capable solution.REPLY – dare I say it – AJA IS WRONG. Actually if you read the “fine print”, AJA is talking about a reliable SATA solution for 10 bit uncompressed HD-SDI, and in real life, most of us are doing ProRes422, DVCProHD, and less (HDV, uncompressed SD, etc.). ALL the SATA solutions on the market are more than capable of reliably handing this – ESPECIALLY when comparing it the Apple Xserve RAID.
Many companies (not to lump AVID and AJA in the same sentense) protect themselves by putting in the highest performance products, so people don’t “cheap out” and cry “my product is not working” becuase they are trying to do uncompressed HD on a Firewire 400 drive. We have all seen posts on this forum, trying to figure out why things dont’ work with one internal SATA drive (didn’t you guys say that SATA can do uncompressed HD) – so I understand the “layer of protection”. But SATA – from anyone – including inside the MAC Pro, all the way to newer SAS RAID 5 arrays – is FANTASTIC technology, and is ABSOLUTELY a substitute for older SCSI and Fibre Channel products.
Bob Zelin (does this mean no cookies from AJA for me ?).
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[Bob Zelin] “in real life, most of us are doing ProRes422, DVCProHD, and less (HDV, uncompressed SD, etc.). ALL the SATA solutions on the market are more than capable of reliably handing this”
I agree with this – I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I’m actually a big proponent of SATA drives and SATA arrays.
Unfortunately, it seems some SATA controllers and some SATA enclosures just can’t cut the mustard over the long haul. RocketRaid for instance, which Don has, gives me the willies, although AMUG has given the latest RR a clean bill of health.
Over an out… And, don’t call me Mr. Weiss… He was my father.
“No job is worth doing more than once…”
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Post-production Supervisor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles -
I love you guys, and dare I say Mr Weiss Mr Weiss Mr Weiss…..just had to. Seriously though David, thanks for all your input.
And I must say that years ago I thought Bob was some crazy code writer dude living under a rock laughing uncontrollably (Like Morgus David) but now I shout out for his wisdom in times of trouble……I am getting old! And after meeting him in person, he is actually much the gentleman….sorry to blow it for you Bob!!
As well, you all try really hard to help and I, though often with feathers fluffed, pay attention and soak it all in. And David, I did the clone of each project I converted from old ones, they were all fine. What happened was maybe two weeks later that corrupted the “converted” projects. I did go back to those safe ones but they were missing much color work. It was in some sort of bad voodoo mode where no matter which project I opened, it became corrupted, and the autosaves as well. In hindsight, after the first became corrupted, I should have shut down and re-evaluated, but again, I’m an old live truck guy who’s attitude is ‘get it on the air” so I kept trying to “get something working.”
And my 2 cents on the Highpoint….
I did a lot of research, talked to the boys at AJA and an old pal from Huge and they all thumbed up the Rocket Raid. And again, this thing has been a rock. Not a single alarm and unlike many sata arrays, the speed stays consistent as it fills up. I have had FW 800 drive issues unmounting but I try and not use them much anymore.
And Bob is correct, we’re DVCPro HD 1080p24. Shot on the Varicam and HVX200, beautifully I might add. So throughput is no issue. I did just work on a big project at Cimarron uncompressed 10bit HD and though cluncky and slow, we crashed without any lasting problems, but we crashed. They are the beta house apparently, at least they claim so.
We’ve been editing this film since last October and we’ve had not one serious problem until this, so for us, that is progress.
And I can tell you horror stories of my 2 inch editing days when I looked out in the machine room and tape was a foot high and the reels still spinning…and I think Sherwood was laughing in the corner…
All the best to all,
Don Wilson
AmericanaMediaInc.com
MississippiSon.com
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