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  • Three Rants; ProRes, Master clips, and Smooth cam

    Posted by Misha Tenenbaum on December 22, 2007 at 12:38 am

    Hello Cow world,

    I have three bones to pick and am hoping that I’m wrong about them.

    1. ProRes; If FCP’s render engine is 8 bit how can ProRes be rendered 10 bit?

    2. Master Clips; I’m working on a project with a fellow editor each of using are using our own intel Macs with FCP 6.0. More or less each of us is editing half the project. When we copy and paste sequences from project (a) to project (b) the seq copies but the master clips are still linked to project (a) which means that the names change and match frame and match bin don’t work or don’t work well because they are looking for the MC in project (b). Is there a way to easily copy AND relink master clips and sequences to other projects? Should I copy in the master clips first and then the seq? (We are both comming from the Avid world where the one thing avid can do is database management. This problem has an easy solution in avid so I’m sure FCP does as well.)

    3. Smoothcam; Fantastic! Love it! It has made a huge impact, but it’s not perfect. Recently I had crappy shaky footage to edit shot on VHS, captured via firewire into the DV/NTSC codec. Smooth cam was unable to process the clip so I beefed it up to ProRes HQ (partially as a test of ProRes). Now it can process but when I apply the effect it essentially does nothing. under the column labeled auto scale it says, “footage too shaky,” great. Any thing I can do?

    -misha

    Ben Scott replied 18 years, 4 months ago 7 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Tom Wolsky

    December 22, 2007 at 12:48 am

    2. Select the sequence from from Tools use Create Master Clips.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop”

  • Misha Tenenbaum

    December 22, 2007 at 1:02 am

    I tried that and but I’m not sure how it works. What is does is make a bunch of master clips – great, but what’s the work flow? Make master clips while looking at seq (a) but while in Project (b)? When a seq from project (a) is pasted into seq from project (b) will it relink to the newly created master clips or will it relink to the unnamed master clips that already exist in project (b). When the option to modify masterclips poped up I chose for the already exisiting master clips in project (b) to be updated using the info from (a) IE clip name and comments but no success. Is this a bug?

    I’m dealing with maybe 200 clips that are neatly aranged in many bins. Create masterclips dumps them into one bin.

    -thanks for the reply!

  • Tom Wolsky

    December 22, 2007 at 1:30 am

    I don’t understand your workflow at all so I’d really better shut up. I don’t think FCP is going to do what I think you want it to do. Basically if you copy a sequence from one project to another, it’s relationship to anything in the other project is gone. In the new project the sequence can have master clips made for it has I describe. The clips in the sequence will match frame to the new master clips you create. If you have the same shots in your browser already, the new sequence has no relation to any of them, other than that they share the same media.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop”

  • Mark Raudonis

    December 22, 2007 at 2:34 am

    #2. If I understand your goal… you’re trying to achieve a “collaborative” workflow.

    Two choices: Networked systems with shared storage.
    Duplicate media on two separate systems. The best way to pull this off is to have the media file structure on both systems EXACTLY the SAME. Then, you can go back and forth with a minimum of hassle. We use this method all the time for editors working in a different timezone. If the media file structure is identical, then the back and forth is really quite seamless.

    mark

  • Rafael Amador

    December 22, 2007 at 3:39 am

    Hi Misha,
    [milappa11] “; If FCP’s render engine is 8 bit”
    FC renders in 32b Floating point when set to “High precision”.

    [milappa11] “3. Smoothcam; Fantastic! “
    If you apply Smoothcam to a clip in your sequence, the filter will analise the whole master clip.
    The best way to use the plug in is selecting first the clips where you want to apply it and use Media manager to export those clips. Then apply the plugin on those clips. Only the picture that you chose will be analised. The filter will look for the frame that need more correction and will apply that correction to the whole of the clip. Therefor is better that you try to get rid of the parts with a lot of shake-movement., otherwise the images that need little correction will get the same correction that the areas very shaky.
    Hope you have understand my poor english.
    Cheers,
    rafael

    PPC G5 2x2Gh 4GbRAM/BlackMagic SD/PMBP 17″Core2Duo 4GbRAM
    JVC DTV-17″/FCS2/AE CS3/COMBUSTION/SHAKE

  • Arnie Schlissel

    December 22, 2007 at 6:46 am

    [milappa11] “When we copy and paste sequences from project (a) to project (b) the seq copies but the master clips are still linked to project (a) which means that the names change and match frame and match bin don’t work or don’t work well because they are looking for the MC in project (b). Is there a way to easily copy AND relink master clips and sequences to other projects?”

    Whoaaaaa!!!! You’re changing clip names? and you expect them to match back to anything? BAD MOVE!!

    If you change the name of a clip in an FCP sequence or project, & then copy that to another FCP project, either on you’re machine or someone else’s, FCP has no way to know what master clip it came from.

    Likewise if you make a subclip in one project & then move that to another, the new project has NO WAY of knowing where that subclip came from.

    THAT’S THE WAY IT WORKS.

    Arnie
    Now in post: Peristroika, a film by Slava Tsukerman
    https://www.arniepix.com/blog

  • Jason Porthouse

    December 23, 2007 at 12:05 pm

    Milappa,

    I work all the time over 2 machines (separated by about 200km so no network here) and Arnie is correct. You need to have IDENTICAL media on each machine. FCP, if you then send a sequence from one to another (either via a project file or via XML) will (with a little promting from you) fine and relink media.

    To make this work well:

    Log and capture on one machine only. Copy media and project to your second/third…machine.

    Ensure that the version of FCP is the same – ideally same OS, same FCP and QT.

    Try to make each machine the same – media drives named identically, file structure for organising media identical – and if not, make sure YOU know YOUR machine so when it comes to relinking you can do it without confusion.

    If media is added to one machine (for instance graphics) you need to ensure that the others have the same media in the same place on their hard drives.

    FCP doesn’t have tha database strength that Avid has – so you need to do some of the work. If you’re organised and methodical, the sharing of projects like this should pose no problems.

    Jason

    _________________________________

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  • Ben Scott

    December 23, 2007 at 3:43 pm

    point 1

    final cut renders in floating point if you change the sequence render settings to high quality

    also remember to set motion scaling to best

    point 2

    maybe use subclips in separate bins for each editor, this may ease the pain. Also definitely use the create master clip function. DONT ever change the original clip names on your hard drive. make sure both of you are working with the same final cut pro version and quicktime and dont update mid edit

    point 3

    smoothcam can be improved with tricky footage by rendering out the smoothcam clip to new exported file, reimporting and then re-analysing a second time. also if you want more control read the additional documentation manual for motion which discusses trackers and this will give you very detailed information on better tracking techniques. also make sure you are only anaylsing the part of the clip you have edited, so could be good to export out and reimport clips before doing smoothcam.

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