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Those old low down credit roll blues..
Hello All Cows,
I’ve been doing this for years and every time I go to do end credits, its the same fricken thing. They look like crap. I have tried almost everything. I’ve used fractal noise, blurs, lowered the opacity, deinterlaced… I’ve also read those articals about speed and timing. They make no sence to me whatsoever. No, I don’t pretent to like math.
This time I am doing credits for a project that was shot on 35mm, converted to HDCAM and dubbed to DVCAM to edit on an Avid Adrenaline. We are recapturing HDCAM tonight and need the credits in a week. I started last night because this time I want to do it right!!!! Anyhooo.
Rather than make the text in Photoshop and import it into AfterEffects, like I usually do, I decided to use the Boris Title Crawl tool in FCPHD using an 18 point Arial font. (FCP because that’s what I have at home.) WALA!! First try and it looks great, perfect. I can’t believe it, I really can’t.
BUT! of course these’s a but. I was in a SD DV timeline to render this. When I created a HDTV 1080i timeline (and with so many fricken choices I not even really sure if this what I want to use) and rendered the same file uncompressed 8 bit. It looks like complete poo. Whaaa? I am running some more tests because I need to eventually export it as a quicktime and import the credits into an Avid Adreniline. Who knows if that will even work?
Any comments from the chicken farm? I don’t often work on real 35mm projects so any help would be great!
The producer is convinced that doing the credits in After Effects is much better that using the Avid Title Roll tool, but after using FCPs Roll and seeing the results I really have my doubts. I’m going to post this on the Avid forum as well.
I just tried rendering it again using:
1920×1080 HDTV 1080i (16:9)
NTSC – CCIR 601 / DV Anamorphic
23.98Quicktime Settings
Compressor DV / DVCPRO – NTSC
Quality 100%It rendered it out with strange green lines, inlarged text and would not play.. Nice. Looks like I will need a week to figure this out.. I will keep this post updated thur the week, as I know this is a problem many of us share. And even more of us don’t even know what a good roll should look like. Hope you guys had a happy Turkey Day!
Chris
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You will want to render this as progressive since there is no such format as 1080i/23.976. There is 1080p/23.976 which is what you should be working at. Perhaps this is creating your poo poo look.
I just finished a 35mm HD master on Adrenaline and did my title roll using the title tool. Looked just fine.
Michael
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Ha!
Thanks Micheal! No such thing as 1080i huh? Tell that to my silly FCP settings. I double checked. 1080i. yeap makes no sence to me either.Anyhoo.. Thanks for the vote of confidence on the AVID title roll tool. I imagine that I might be using this instead of my FCP roll, which by the way also looks pretty darn good as far as I can tell. Who knows what it will look like after I export it as an AVI or QT and then import it back in to AVID and lay it to HDCAM.
Chris
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[chris] “Thanks Micheal! No such thing as 1080i huh? Tell that to my silly FCP settings. I double checked. 1080i. yeap makes no sence to me either.”
Make sure you are loading a preset and not building your own settings.
Sincerely,
OliverOliver Peters
Post-Production & Interactive Media
Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters] “Make sure you are loading a preset and not building your own settings.”
Actually my apologies. If you don’t have a card like Kona 2 installed the presets are for DVCPROHD and HDV. If you create the settings it does say 1080i, but that’s for frame size. If you choose square pixels and 23.98, you’ll notice that the field setting is greyed out, i.e. progressive.
Sincerely,
OliverOliver Peters
Post-Production & Interactive Media
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com -
Oliver,
Thanks so much for reminding me! Square pixels. I thought HDCAM would be non-square. Thats only DVCAM at .9 x 1 huh? Do you have any resorces for explaining progressive and interlaced wookflow? If you are coming form 35m should you always stay in progressive? Do Barco projecters display in Progress?
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[chris] “Thanks so much for reminding me! Square pixels. I thought HDCAM would be non-square. Thats only DVCAM at .9 x 1 huh? Do you have any resorces for explaining progressive and interlaced wookflow? If you are coming form 35m should you always stay in progressive? Do Barco projecters display in Progress?
Chris”The 1920×1080 format and the 1280×720 format each use square pixels. Each codec, however, is non-square within the codec itself. So HDCAM is 1440×1080, but you never see that since you are never natively working with the codec in a way that you can see this. Part of what these codecs do is scale in image horizontally back and forth, which is why they don’t hold up well to post-production, among other reasons. DVCPROHD is the worst for this.
I don’t have specific resources at hand, but there’s a lot of good info at 24p.com, on the Quantel site and in other locations. Generally most modern displays are progressive, but that’s not a given and I don’t specifically know about that projector. Whether to work interlace or progressive with 35mm is a very complex and somewhat subjective question.
I recently finished a film (as editor/post-spvsr) which was shot S35mm, transferred to HDCAM-SR, conformed/graded via an Assimilate Scratch (4:4:4) DI system and mastered out to SR again. We held a screening for the investors using a 1080i HDCAM dub (24p with added pulldown) and it looked awesome. The lab folks brought both a 1080p and 1080i copy, but the 1080i was used because the DLP projector that was supplied needed an extra card to take a 1080p input. So it all depends.
Sincerely,
OliverOliver Peters
Post-Production & Interactive Media
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com
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