The Showdown: FCPX vs Premiere Pro Full 45 minute presentation

[Roli Rivelino]

I have to agree with Shane’s second reply, the minute he started comparing iDVD to DVD SP and Encore I stopped watching. I wanted to stop when he said his students didn’t find Color very useful and when he reckoned it was fine that FCP X had integrated that feature.

https://www.rolirivelino.com/

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1x 1Tb 7200 hardrive
Nvidia Geforce 8800 512mb Graphics card
1x 1Tb external WD ‘My Book’ eSata

Equipment
Panasonic AG-HVX 200
Firestore FS-100

[Gary Huff]

[Tim Wilson] “Sorry to be repetitious, but I think this is pretty cool stuff.”

Yes, all we need now is for Apple to open source ProRes like they did their lossless codec, and there will be peace in our time.

[Richard Herd]

[Shane Ross] “$300 for students with 4 years of upgrades free. And it is a TV/Film industry standard. “

One follow up question: What operating software is currently industry standard?

My students will be cutting on all 3 very soon. My PPr is Windows; I have 5 of them. My iMacs are i5 (due to pricing concerns), and I will have 2 of them. I can only afford 1 Avid license and 1 ProTools license. Whereas I prefer Apple OS, I want to make sure I purchase the correct one for the TV and Film industry standards. It’s what my students want to learn, at risk high school kids.

Thanks!

[Michael Hancock]

[Richard Herd] “I can only afford 1 Avid license and 1 ProTools license. Whereas I prefer Apple OS, I want to make sure I purchase the correct one for the TV and Film industry standards. It’s what my students want to learn, at risk high school kids.”

When you buy Avid you can install it on either Windows or Macs. You get an installer for both. In addition, you can install it on all of your computers but only one can be activated at a time. Student using it on the iMac? Awesome. When they’re done they deactivate the license and another student on a PC can start Avid and activate it. Rinse/repeat. No limits on installs or OS, just one activated at a time.

ProTools I have no experience with so that might be different.

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Michael Hancock
Editor

[Timothy Auld]

Boy, that’s a tough one. Speaking in general larger operations on Avid tend to use Windows. Smaller operations on all of the above tend to use Mac OS. There is no standard really, but happily both Avid and Premiere work (operationally) exactly the same on both OS’s. So either one should do fine but I definitely think going with something you’re comfortable is a good idea.

Tim

[Tim Wilson]

[Michael Hancock] “[Richard Herd] “I can only afford 1 Avid license and 1 ProTools license. Whereas I prefer Apple OS, I want to make sure I purchase the correct one for the TV and Film industry standards. It’s what my students want to learn, at risk high school kids.”

When you buy Avid you can install it on either Windows or Macs. You get an installer for both. In addition, you can install it on all of your computers but only one can be activated at a time. Student using it on the iMac? Awesome. When they’re done they deactivate the license and another student on a PC can start Avid and activate it. Rinse/repeat. No limits on installs or OS, just one activated at a time.”

And as a reminder, because every time this comes up, somebody is surprised because they had no idea:

Academic licenses for Avid Media Composer are $295, and includes 4 years of upgrades. (I said $395 in an earlier post – it’s TWO ninety five.) That price is good for students, institutions AND TEACHERS. Some details here.

Same price for Pro Tools academic.

[Richard Herd]

[Tim Wilson] “Avid Media Composer are $295”

Wow! That’s a great price.

Thanks for your input, guys.

[Ric Lanciotti]

Hi all,

I’m the guy who made the video. Thank you all for your criticism, there where definitely things I didn’t know and therefore misrepresented. I’m sure this video was very frustrating to some of you and I really didn’t mean to do that. It was truly made for a few faculty members who couldn’t attend a meeting and as a courtesy for the other schools which answered our survey, it was to help us figure out what was right for our school and our program I never intended it to be the final word of even my final word on what is the best editor.
For our students, who mostly want to create art video and animation to be shown in a gallery setting and don’t want to work in the professional video or film industry I still believe that FCPX is the right choice. Yes I know that’s being very specific and yes I realize that the chances of video art paying the bills are slim. If I was asked to create this for a different set of students and faculty the results could very well be for one of the other two options. I’m sure that this had been said many times on this and other forums the software is just another tool for you to create with. For our students I believe FCPX serves their needs the best, but that doesn’t mean that it’s the best tool for you or anyone else here nor does it mean that it’s a perfect tool.

Thanks for reading and super thanks to those who watched all 45 (or 20 or 30) minutes and thanks to this site which has gotten me out of a number of binds in the past,

Ric

[Reid Vanvoris]

Wow! Get an ice pack for the butt kicking you took over that FCPX vs PPr CS6 post. You should have made clear your review was concerning specialty students and specialty NLE uses (you know that now, of course). The Cow forums are mostly made up of folks who use the software and gear discussed to make their living. I teach at a college, too. We have A.S. degrees and B.A.S. degrees that are tied to the needs of the local workforce and FCPX is not the industry standard in our market (Miami) either, nor is Logic (Pro Tools is). I do see your logic for ease of use for students who are not going into pro video prod/post jobs. Don’t feel bad. Your review was logical and on target for what your students’ NLE uses are. Apple was going for making its NLE more consumer friendly and your review points that out well. Logic is also a not a bad choice, but Pro Tools has a student discount at about $295 which puts it close to Logic’s price, and PT is the industry go to software for audio. You talked a lot about what you thought Apple might do with its products in the future. Does what they did with FCP7 give you confidence? I will try to paraphrase good advice I took from a blog post from Walter Biscardi who is a pro kind enough to share his real-world experiences with all of us — in the post production world you don’t prepare for what technology might come in the future, you prepare for the now. Good advice from a man who makes his daily bread with the tools he chooses to work with everyday.

[Shane Ross]

Sorry about that. Now that we know what the reasoning is, the decision makes total sense.

I came from the angle that you were trying to teach kids who wanted to get into editing as a career. But for what you are doing…yeah, well thought out.

Shane
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