The Showdown: FCPX vs Premiere Pro Full 45 minute presentation

[Shane Ross]

Wait for it….wait for it.

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[Shane Ross]

Hmmmm…one of the arguements he had when comparing audio editing apps (Audition vs Logic Pro) was that while Audition is nice, and fully featured, it isn’t the “industry standard.” Logic Pro was…so he leaned that way. I thought ProTools was the industry standard.

Why didn’t he lean that way with the NLE? He totally discounted Avid (due to something about “proprietary” something…DnxHD?). That IS the industry standard.

Oh, we don’t know what industry he’s talking about. Can’t have a standard unless you know what industry one is talking about.

And trying to compare iDVD to Encore? Please.

And just like many others who defend FCX and “tape,” they only consider DV and HDV as “tape.”

He says that his students don’t have the best organization skills, so FCX is a better option for them. How about this…TEACH THEM ORGANIZATION! That’s part of your job…part of editing is organization. A huge part. Even in FCX, you need to be organized. Gah…so many new editors (trying to be assistants too) hitting the scene with zero organization skill. Bad bad bad.

Funny…he mentions the way that FCX organizes and how you need to manage and delete media from within FCX itself, and that’s the ONLY way…and that is a big bonus and why he put a point in the corner for FCX. This is something Avid’s been doing forever. Not that I like it personally, I much preferred FCP Legacy’s way.

I just want to know who his students are, and what they intend to go off and do when they graduate.

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[Shane Ross]

Ah…I should have watched the entire thing before posting. I was watching as I typed responses, but didn’t wait until the end to ask “what industry?”

For documentary and narrative, he said “FCX!” Guess he doesn’t know our industry well. It’s all FCP and Avid, and those are both options he took off the table (FCP legacy, I get. that’s EOL)

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[Frank Gothmann]

“Hands down the best option for importing from tape is FCPX”
Unreal! Maybe it’s time for students to look for a new course and teacher asap.

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[Ian Bailey]

Very useful, I tend to agree with most of what he says. But I would have liked to have also seen a comparison with Avid.

There were some inaccuracies. For example you can bring an image sequence into FCPX, it’s just more complicated than it is in Motion.

[Michael Hendrix]

I actually stopped watching around the 14 min mark. Too many, “that’s what’s best for my students.” I think the kicker was that USB 2 was perfectly fine for editing.

[Jacob Lanum]

Bummer, I guess no one told them about the Academic Media Composer at $300 and four years of free upgrades. That’s some bang for your buck.

[Shane Ross]

Still trying to figure out why he dismissed it outright do to proprietary codecs. I mean, DNxHD works on both platforms, and is available for FREE as a download from Apple. You can encode to it on a PC as well as a Mac. ProRes? Encoder not free, and you cannot encode to it on a PC, period.

And yes….$300 for students with 4 years of upgrades free. And it is a TV/Film industry standard.

Now, it wouldn’t hold up to other things on his list, like DVD authoring, motion graphics, audio editing app. I get that. But to dismiss it outright was odd.

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[Joseph Owens]

[Michael Hendrix] “I actually stopped watching around the 14 min mark.”

The stream croaked at about the 20 minute mark for my 7 year-old Tiger iMac (stone-age technology), and maybe there is some more valuable information in the last half. If there is a redeeming summation, it was unavailable to me.

So this is a powerpoint presentation meant to justify a decision to a very low budget AV program at a high school or college. Which would be their *industry*. Unfortunately its an indictment of how “dumbed down” the view is of production objectives from a very narrow perspective. The presenter clearly has no idea what “COLOR” is or what its for and how very limited the grade capability actually is — however, “not anything they really need”, may be a more honest assessment than intended.

While I am not a foaming-at-the-mouth fan of FCS, and believe that Final Cut Pro was cut way too much slack by people who were over-leveraging it into applications it was clearly not suitable for, its almost amusing to see this kind of a point-by-point cherry-picking exercise argue for something even more limited because the poor students won’t be able to figure out anything more sophisticated. Comes across as vaguely patronizing.

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[Shane Ross]

Didn’t really redeem itself in the end. The whole video was basically “this app is better because the students make less errors with it. It is easier for them to understand.” Well, if taught properly, and if they pay attention, they shouldn’t have many if any errors. Grabbing stuff from a CD and then ejecting the CD and WHAT? the media is gone? Well, if you taught them how to do things, they won’t have that issue.

I liked how early on he talked about the complex interface and how that would confuse students. FCP Legacy is by far the least complicated interface. He just opened a bunch of random windows. To him, the selling point is the more simple things are, the better. Forget control over your footage, and your cut. He likes things simple.

Which is fine, some editing apps should be simple. It just depends on what your market is.

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