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  • Aindreas Gallagher

    September 29, 2011 at 12:46 am

    oh god no – I’m a malcontent, self deprecating andwhathaveyou – but.. its all malcontent baby.

    the smart stuff is indeed with seeman, soyka and lawrence.

    beir bua FCP.

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  • Chris Harlan

    September 29, 2011 at 1:05 am

    [Andrew Richards] “The roles in 10.0 aren’t buried in the code or referenced in some obscure framework. They are metadata dropdowns in the Inspector, same as in 10.0.1. As I understand it, they drove the OMF export capability in Automatic Duck. Now they do more.”

    THAT is interesting. I didn’t know that. Okay, I just moved 3.7% in your direction.

    [Andrew Richards] “I don’t think they are flailing in the dark with their new metaphor. I think they are iterating like they always do, except now they are under a microscope. But I guess either of us could be right. We’ll never know for sure.

    I don’t either. I think they are very knowledgeable folk. I just think that opposing design theories/goals created a bit of chaos in the design. As I’ve said, I do believe good or interesting things can out of that. In fact, it might be argued that such a state is often required to inspire real innovation. I don’t think anyone is stumbling around in the dark, but I think there are some sizable ambiguities in the development plans.

    [Andrew Richards] “The skepticism you’re defending is skepticism that the Pro Apps team has any idea or plan at all for what they are doing. My unforgivable optimism supposes they are not incompetents and that they might be onto something.

    No, my skepticism–and really it is skepticism, nat gussied-up fatalism–is based on the notion that internal politics related to commercial forces were so powerful that the pressure from them created over-riding design flaws in the project that it might or might not be able to recover from.

    Your tenacious optimism, which I really quite enjoy, as well as your thoughtful arguments are one of the many terrific reason to visit this forum. Calling you an unforgivable optimist, was simply a needlessly grumpy retort on my part. It is, after all, Thin-skinned Wednesday.

  • Andrew Richards

    September 29, 2011 at 3:22 am

    [Chris Harlan] “No, my skepticism–and really it is skepticism, nat gussied-up fatalism–is based on the notion that internal politics related to commercial forces were so powerful that the pressure from them created over-riding design flaws in the project that it might or might not be able to recover from. “

    The features at this early stage are very schitzo aren’t they? On one hand, 4K and scopes, on the other, the Ken Burns effect. They replaced Final Cut Express and are backfilling Final Cut Pro. Getting capabilities back is step one. Then they need to hone the UI. Aindreas is right- the ratio of fluff and chrome to meaningful control surface is too high. There is room for much improvement within the metaphor they’ve chosen.

    [Chris Harlan] “Your tenacious optimism, which I really quite enjoy, as well as your thoughtful arguments are one of the many terrific reason to visit this forum. Calling you an unforgivable optimist, was simply a needlessly grumpy retort on my part. It is, after all, Thin-skinned Wednesday.”

    Water under the bridge. I am rooting for good ideas and good design. I’m eager to see what legacy cruft Avid is able to shake off in their transition to 64 bit in MC6. They won’t abandon their UI, but they would do well to leave behind some of their architecture that prevents them from embracing a broader third party ecosystem. I’d love to see Adobe streamline their apps so that they don’t bury my Applications folder in so much clutter. How many months till NAB?

    Best,
    Andy

  • Chris Harlan

    September 29, 2011 at 3:37 am

    [Andrew Richards] “How many months till NAB?”

    I don’t know if I’m going yet, but I’m very interested in what word will be around the SMPTE tech conference next month.

  • Tim Wilson

    September 29, 2011 at 6:32 am

    [Chris Harlan] “[Walter Soyka] “I like Craig and Tim’s suggestion of “Industry Trends.” I’d love to see this level of interest and debate broaden significantly. I’ve learned a ton here.

    Ditto. I would very much like to widen this conversation beyond FCP X.”

    We’re pretty much there, right? 🙂

    The problem is that if we name it the “Industry Trends Forum,” we might as well call it the “Nothing Interesting Here, Now Where Can I Go Yell About FCPX Forum.” This discussion is what drew the crowd, and FCPX is still fueling the fire, so to speak.

    So maybe “FCPX & Industry Trends” as gentler transition?

    Not that this forum would even exist if gentle transitions were the order of the day.

  • Chris Kenny

    September 29, 2011 at 9:26 am

    [Walter Soyka] “This strategy has served Apple very well in the consumer space and with brand new products — but FCPX feels different.

    They are trying to drag an entire industry along with them toward their vision of the future, with little regard for their customers, whom they have now trapped in between two less-than-ideal offerings.”

    Err… how is this different from usual? The OS X and Intel transitions could be described in precisely the same way, and the evolving relationship between iOS and OS X will probably yield similar accusations.

    As far as I can see, FCP X is a classic Apple move. If it “feels different” to some people its because of their own relationship to the FCP franchise, not because of a significant difference in Apple’s approach.


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  • Chris Harlan

    September 29, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Hey, we’re all in showbiz. If the title fills the seats, it should stay what it is.

  • Walter Soyka

    September 29, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    [Chris Kenny] “Err… how is this different from usual? The OS X and Intel transitions could be described in precisely the same way, and the evolving relationship between iOS and OS X will probably yield similar accusations.”

    Apple is applying their new product strategy to a dominant product, knocking it back to square one.

    I’d point to the OS 9 / OS X and PPC/Intel transitions as the right way to accomplish the sort of foundation overhaul that FCP desperately needed. Apple worked hard to smooth both those transitions, supporting both 9 and X, developing Classic, porting Carbon to X, giving developers long roadmaps, developing Rosetta, and adding universal binaries.

    The FCP/FCPX transition was a cut; the other Apple transitions you mentioned were dissolves.

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