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The old one still works
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Agreed on all points. 😉
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[Walter Soyka] “Do any other vendors really do this, though?
What if a facility wanted to add an Adobe license, but they were still running CS4? Can they call Adobe and order one, or will Adobe only sell them a new license for CS5.5 and a pile of upgrades for the other workstations?
“Maybe not, but there would be the option of running the old and new together, since you could open the CS4 projects on the CS5 system. You’d obviously only be able to do this one-way, but at least it would have been an option. With Apple, not only can’t you do this, but you don’t even have the “pile of upgrades” option.
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What if a facility wanted to add an Adobe license, but they were still running CS4? Can they call Adobe and order one, or will Adobe only sell them a new license for CS5.5 and a pile of upgrades for the other workstations?
At least CS5.5 will open CS4 projects.
Honestly, who else besides Apple would have the temerity and the audacity to create a new version of software that can’t open the old projects?
What if a new itunes didn’t play any of your old music? Or Photoshop didn’t open the old psd files?
Apple would create a whole lot of good will if they bundled the old FCS3 with the new FCX, just practically gave the old software away with the purchase of the new. This would cost Apple nothing, since it’s EOL’d, and it would allow houses to add more editing seats, and keep in business until FCX is ready for primetime. Giving away FCS3 could also help stop the masses of people fleeing to Avid and Premiere.
I believe that FCX will be ready for primetime someday.
I believe that Apple will make up for the crap that came along with all the very cool new functions.
I believe we are heading towards a tapeless world without edls.Meanwhile, I’ve edited several of my broadcast projects in FCX, and I thought with a little time I’d get over the learning curve.
I’m discovering it’s not about the learning. I’m getting very well versed on where everything is. The problem is that to do the sorts of layering and audio finessing I’m used to, is quite painful. It takes me 5 times as long to do anything with it, and I don’t expect that will change, until they come up with an update.
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I’m calling it FCX. They took the “pro” out, so I will too.
I’ll reconsider after the first upgrade.Mark Morache
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[Walter Soyka]What if a facility wanted to add an Adobe license, but they were still running CS4? Can they call Adobe and order one, or will Adobe only sell them a new license for CS5.5 and a pile of upgrades for the other workstations?
I don’t know if you can call Adobe up and order a license for an older copy, but I just checked on Google and CS4 versions are available from a wide variety of legitimate sources (including Wal-Mart).
Additionally, CS4 versions of Premiere and After Effects were bundled with Master Collection CS5 (not sure about the other collections) in case you needed backward compatibility with plugins or wanted some of the new CS5 versions while still working in a 32-bit environment.
Plus, you can always open older projects in CS5/5.5.
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It should be pointed out that Adobe and Avid both EOL their editing programs on the Mac. If you wanted to keep up the the latest version of their software you had to completely replace your hardware. If someone handed you a Premiere project in the current version, you couldn’t open it on a Mac.
Avid quickly reversed their position, but it was many, many years before Adobe again released Premiere on the Mac.
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[Andrew Richards] “Seems to me the real waiting for “awesome” was less than two years (September 2009 till June 2011), not more than four. Trouble was, when awesome showed up, it wasn’t the awesome everyone imagined.”
Well said!
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I also think this little timeline contributed to Apple’s poor release strategy.
I certainly fit your point Andrew.We did our first NLE film with the first PP and a Quadra 840AV.
We did a couple of other TV spots with it and that was the last time I even thought of PP after quickly moving to Media 100.After moving to FCP v.1 I never even considered PP even though we have multiple seats of Adobe Suites.
It was after glancing at a piece on the Mercury Engine, native playback and some other things that I was getting tired of waiting for with FCP that I looked back at PP after about 15 years.I think Apple was well aware that a lot of us were disenchanted after FCP 7’s ho hum release and that Adobe and Avid were offering much more competitive products.
I think that played into the “Hey look over here at the new 64 bit upgrade you’ve been waiting for” diversion at Super Meet. Show enough to look slick and innovative but don’t have any specifics at all about 3rd party and workflow integration. Divert your customer bases attention from the competition even though you know it’s not ready for professional use in many/most facilities.
They’ve been playing catch up since (like the recent new messaging comparing features to these competitors on the X page).
I think this is very calculated. People Like Larry J warned them of the fall out, which I doubt they needed be told. They made the decision to get it out as is and honestly did an astoundingly piss poor job of it.
I think the program deserves a lot better treatment than they gave it. They should have been very direct about it’s short comings so that the anger didn’t over shadow the potential.
Nice first generation/infant program.
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Evolving? No? More like moving horrendously slowly. The station is replacing linear Beta to Beta editing desks.
It seems strange to me that you would be expecting the market not to be expanding. Educational establishments, as just one example, are having more and more people join up for often time-wasting “media” courses all the time.
Suggesting stasis in the market in order to support bad decisions by Apple is one of the strangest strategies I’ve seen.
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[Stuart Cohen] “Have I missed out on something here? Doesn’t Final Cut Pro 7 continue to do all the great professional things it did last month before FCPX was released?”
Look, Ya it works, but like many other FCP7 editors are saying it will die out without support in 2 years it will be a relic, Apple has made some stupid and ridiculous assumptions, Telling us what the Future is and isn’t in post production and they have way to much pride to admit there wrong or made a mistake. Im personally done supporting them, My next Desktop, Phone, Laptop and Tablet will be Windows 7 and Android, Apple wants to stop making computers and start making “smart” Microwaves, best of luck to them. Cause Im no longer supporting that backstabbing company anymore. And just so were clear I dont HATE iMovie X Pro, Its neat and my Brother (19), Dad (60) and my Mom LOVE it they’ve cut almost a dozen family videos together since it came out, so I guess apples happy as long as they keep pleasing people like that. But to Kill off FCS is why myself and many others are angry and its hard not to shift the blame on iMovie X Pro, And Thats why so many editors Hate the program, Its not that its BAD NLE program, there mad, this was marketed as the Future of NLE and the “next” Final Cut Pro, witch by now we all can see it isnt, in fact it doesn’t even come close. IF you are angry write a letter to apple and STOP buying there products! But the majority have already brought and installed Loin, so apple thinks that there doing great! Boycott the iphone 5, if we want to teach them a lesson we have to boycott there products. Just my 2 cents.
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You think many companies can persuade bean counters to buy End of Line software on eBay?
It’s tough enough to get ours to make SOUND financial decisions, let alone decisions with no future.
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