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memo to COW droids – once a thread goes out over email, it is past your reach. One might hope that you, probably Steve and Tim who I would guess are being paid by Adobe, might consider some other calling if the free flow of information so offends you.
Are you in fact being paid by / shilling for Adobe? Enquiring minds want to know. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but a bit of disclosure might be a in the interest of fairness to those of us looking top the magic of the internet for news. While the COW business model probably relies on advertising from Adobe, you might remember that it relies on eth community to provide the eyeballs that you are selling. Other forums have died when the viewers lost interest. If the public wanted the adobe corporate view, then they would visit the adobe forum. And expect that it is purged of items not according to their tastes.
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Um, George? Do you mean me? I am not sure I can afford the pay cut to work for Adobe, although I probably would have applied for a job long ago if it didn’t mean moving to San Jose. Too expensive. There is one job there that I want. It used to belong to Daniel Brown, but he got tired of traveling it seems. But no, I really just like Adobe products. And I really, really like Cineform products. I am a moderator because I like helping people.
As for removing anything from this forum… the moderators do not have that power. At least I do not. I can’t do anything except post responses.
You might want to rethink your attitude towards posts that quote directly from another forum. It may not have been the information that was objected to, but, if I recall correctly, the info was copied and pasted as is. Not good for copyright infringements, and the Cow can’t afford to take that chance. Not from Abode, but from the other site.
Or, it might have been the info. To be honest, I don’t really know who removed it. Someone probably warned Kathlyn or Ron and they did it themselves.
My personal opinion is that the Europeans who routinely leak pre-release info are either on a publishing schedule that is harder to predict than in the USA, or they flat out do not care about how Adobe wants to announce things. I seriously believe that Adobe should be allowed to announce in any way that they wish. I live in the USA. It is a free country and the companies have rights just about like any person does. The should be allowed to do it their way. Just as you are allowed to buy from any company you wish.
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[George Socka] “Are you in fact being paid by / shilling for Adobe? Enquiring minds want to know.”
“Shilling”…classy. Also…I think the word you most likely wanted was “inquiring”…
I do Adobe training on DVD and write books about Adobe products…I am not on any payroll as a “PR plant” if that is your inference.
I do work in the field and consult for several software companies. Adobe is a company I’m very familiar with and I like and use their products and do have a chance to have some input on some aspects of their development.
Adobe happens to be a company that prefers to announce their own products and I can understand that. The reason why they bought advertising in magazines that mailed before an announcement was made is a bit beyond me, but as far as I’m concerned, that advertising was Adobe triggered and purchased, therefore it’s fair game.
The links that were up here to a publisher’s book on unreleased…and unannounced software, where several new features were mentioned was a violation of the NDA that book publisher (just like my publisher, Focal Press) signed. Removing that link was a professional courtesy from the businesspeople who run the Cow to the businesspeople who run Adobe.
If you get leaked information, call your friends, buy an ad in a newspaper, buy a billboard, but don’t make CreativeCow.net complicit in spreading information that only got out because someone violated their non-disclosure agreement. That’s the message.
There are sites that drool at running stuff like that…and usually the people who leak to them are tracked down and are never asked to enter into a confidentiality agreement again, and the leak stops.
If you don’t like it…I can’t help it.
TimK,
Kolb Productions,
Creative Cow Host,
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George,
You would be pissed as hell were your business to create something which you intended to keep under wraps for your own purposes and then someone whom you trusted violated your Non-Disclosure Agreement and publicized your impending release and diluted the value of what you were about to do.
If hearing that, you can say that it is preposterous and that you would not mind, then you are either someone whose business judgement is quite questionable or you are a person whose moral character fails to recognize intellectual property rights and the value of things like NDAs which are designed to protect them.
The guys here do NOT do the moderating or the censoring, that is my job, thank you. They do not even always agree with the hard line that I take sometimes. That is their prerogative and I do not ask anyone to agree with me.
We NEVER claim to be a “news” site, per se, and I tell people regularly that we are a community site. As such, we understand that the root of the word community is “co-” — implying more than one. Sometimes, that “co” is user-to-user communication, other times it may be between the users and the leaders here — and still other times, it may be between this site and the companies whose tools we all use. If we fail to recognize the intellectual property rights of those who create these tools, then the eventual outcome will be the degrading of our own intellectual property rights; this as it’s true: what goes around, comes around.
Lastly, if your buying decisions are made so quickly that you would jump ship because we aren’t going to play “scoop machine” for you, then you are welcome to jump from tool to tool to tool as whim and caprice strikes you.
It has always amazed me that some content creators fail to recognize the purpose and value of intellectual property rights and the reason that they exist. Luckily, that “some” appears to be a small yet belligerent minority who wish the right to peek into the windows of other people’s business but would be mortified, were they the subject of the same discourtesy.
In the interest of clarity,
Ron Lindeboom
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Your response is understood, and appreciated – if not fully agreed with. The COW does represnt a valuable resource, and I will continue to turn to it, for community advise when needed, and offer my .03 when I can
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