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  • Timothy Auld

    April 8, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    In an empirical sense (which is from whence I spoke) no, I don’t. Film resolution and dynamic range beats any currently existing digital format all to hell. People have created great work in all formats and with all NLE’s. But – again economics aside – if I had to pick an acquisition mode with the most flexibility and the best output that would have to -still – be film. If you are arguing that any current digital acquisition mode is superior in image quality to film the I have to suggest that you are wrong,

    Tim

  • Jeremy Garchow

    April 8, 2014 at 10:14 pm

    [TImothy Auld] “If you are arguing that any current digital acquisition mode is superior in image quality to film the I have to suggest that you are wrong,”

    That’s not what I am arguing.

    I am arguing that an off-ramp of Adobe CC is not what is going to save Adobe, and in my mind, it’s not going to give me the user, anything more than what Adobe is already giving, or help me to secure any future business, or do anything, but perhaps make some subscribers feel better without any real change to what Adobe is already doing.

    A lower price is a better talking point, at least it is in my feeble minded opinion.

    I edited this post so it was easier to read. Sorry.

  • Ricardo Marty

    April 8, 2014 at 10:19 pm

    Exactly, so why not have both cc and perpetuals.

    Ricardo marty

  • Timothy Auld

    April 8, 2014 at 10:25 pm

    I understand. I cancelled my intro price subscription when the convergence of a project’s end and my subscription year coincided. I can’t justify paying double what I paid last year to have a bunch of resident software that I will never use. I may have to re-up with Premiere at $19/month but any other Adobe application I use will be from my perpetual CS6 license. Their CC pricing is just goofy.

    Tim

  • Jeremy Garchow

    April 8, 2014 at 10:28 pm

    [Ricardo Marty] “Exactly, so why not have both cc and perpetuals. “

    Because an off ramp won’t sign up 12 million more customers?

  • Joseph W. bourke

    April 8, 2014 at 11:20 pm

    And here’s a very nice, in depth comparison of Kodak 35mm film vs the Canon C500:

    https://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2014/02/canon-c500-vs-film-camera-test/

    Joe Bourke
    Owner/Creative Director
    Bourke Media
    http://www.bourkemedia.com

  • Tim Wilson

    April 8, 2014 at 11:25 pm

    Yeah, film vs digital is getting a little far off track for this particular thread…but it’s a conversation worth having.

    Especially once lions like Deakins and Deschanel are saying that they now prefer digital, I think that the conversation goes beyond economics, beyond aesthetics, and into the world of 100% pure preference where it always belonged.

    So maybe on another thread. Or in the Film vs. Digital or Not The Debate Or Not forum I’m about to go set up. Look for the link in a few minutes.

  • Timothy Auld

    April 8, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    Pleasant idea Tim, but the barbarians are at the gate and there is no going back.

    Tim

  • Tim Wilson

    April 8, 2014 at 11:43 pm

    [Aindreas Gallagher] “i took a swipe at him on the other place over the tweet and I rather regret it. hard not to think he is a lot responsible for willing a top flight edit system in the FCP mold into being for the people who were begging him for it. some gift. when you watch him on stuff, he seems to bleed the product.”

    You’re not alone in feeling that. If you go over to that thread, you’ll see that several other members deleted their own posts as well. I’m glad that people are able to see the humanity of that tweet for what it is re: Al’s own dedication to customers, and for what it isn’t re: the corporate debate.

    There was a time that you couldn’t delete your own posts from the COW, mostly because we didn’t want people coming in to do hit-and-run trolling. At the same time, people really do regret what, or more often HOW they say things, and we’re glad to have added the Delete Post option. I additionally added the “removed by author” notice in the thread view to underscore that, yeah, being in an online community ain’t easy. People deserve not to be remembered forever just for the one stupidest thing they said.

    As a very emotional guy who’s fast on the keyboard myself, I’m grateful that twitter wasn’t around when I was a product manager.

  • Tim Wilson

    April 8, 2014 at 11:48 pm

    [TImothy Auld] “the barbarians are at the gate and there is no going back.”

    Look man, if we let barbarians keep us from having debates, the COW is doomed.

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