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The Mother of All NLE Demos
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[Bill Davis] “You literally can’t stand up in the church of the historic timeline and espouse that ANY of the existing dogma might be dated.”
Dude,
Sorry to have to tell you this but the only persons standing up in church here is you and Carsten. Your preaching that others are preaching, when they’re clearly speaking out against preaching, does you and and to some extent, FCPX, a disservice…moreso you than FCPX, I would hope, if only for FCPX’s sake. The software needs articulate, mature, spokespeople, willing to discuss both its strengths and weaknesses. Fetishists and ideologues need not apply. They’re easily dismissed by intelligent observers.
David
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[Herb Sevush] “How would you handle that with FCPX?”
Apply the FX to the clip not the track. Even easier now that one can save whole plugin setups.
Or wait with mixing & EQ’ing until the picture is locked and compound elements and apply FX to that.Happy editing
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[Carsten Orlt] “Apply the FX to the clip not the track.”
so dozens of times a days I have to select a clip, remove its current efx settings, then paste in the new settings — that is oh so 2013.
[Carsten Orlt] “Or wait with mixing & EQ’ing until the picture is locked and compound elements and apply FX to that.”
Yes, waiting for picture lock, as opposed to hearing it the way I want to hear it as I cut is a huge step forward.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
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The question isn’t always “is this the standard” the question is “should this CONTINUE to be the standard?”
Unless we’re talking about Creative Cloud and if that’s the case then Apple is right and Adobe is full of crap, right?
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Sorry Herb, you’re absolutely right. I will go back to many hours of track assigning, setting up complicated asymmetric trims, rearranging music or fx so they don’t overlap because of this one slightly more involved workflow compared to what you have with tracks..
Not so happy editing for me now
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[David Roth Weiss] ” And, until the majority embraces your belief system, should probably learn to expect and respect opinions that are different from your own.”
Don’t worry I do not come over tomorrow and take away your tracks.
I just don’t get why so many think tracks are better. The only thing I can see is so your timeline looks pretty 🙂 This is not ironic but I actually mean it.
I probably will never understand why even though I edited 20 years with tracks…Happy editing
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[Oliver Peters] “There are plenty of things that X is not well-suited for, just as there are things that tracks are not well-suited for.”
Ok walk the talk and tell me what exactly it is not suited for and why??
PS:
[Oliver Peters] “Tossing in the argument that tracks are somehow old and no longer valid and that those people are “clinging to the past” is exactly the sort of unproductive thing said here, that most FCP X-enthusiasts deny ever saying”Never denied it. But tracks are old and rather than using the word ‘valid’ I would use the word ‘necessary’. Maybe the ‘clinging to the past’ was a bit provocative but nothing better than a little provocation to wake up the church 🙂
Happy editing
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[Andrew Kimery] “Wild guess here, but in your opinion, is X the best NLE regardless of the situation?”
I don’t about that but it is the only one I need to edit everything. I rather become an expert on one advanced (and hopefully further advancing) NLE than an average user on many NLE’s (because I can’t remember them all after a while).
Happy editing
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[Carsten Orlt] ” I rather become an expert on one advanced (and hopefully further advancing) NLE than an average user on many NLE’s (because I can’t remember them all after a while).
“For me it’s not an either/or thing though my brain might just be wired in a way that makes it easier for me to pickup software. Herb has mentioned too that it’s not easy for him to jump between NLEs so he likes to do a fair amount of testing then jump in with both feet and stay a whlie. In the last 18 months alone I’ve gone from Avid to PPro, to Avid to PPro to FCP 7 (for just a little bit) and then back to PPro. After this gig it will probably be back to Avid. That’s freelance life for ya. I’ve tried to squeeze in X on small projects here or there but it just hasn’t worked out yet. When I do coloring work it’s in Resolve so I’ll kick the tires on 12 when it drops to see if the editing is as improved as BM says it is.
Long story short, in the past few years Apple dropped the X bomb, Adobe went CC and Avid temporarily delisted from NASDAQ so I’m not even going to try and guess what the NLE market will look like in as little as 5 yrs. My plan is to stay agile. Though I had Avid skills, rusty as they were at the time, to fall back I felt too dependent on a single vender when FCP 7 got EOLed.
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[Carsten Orlt] “Ok walk the talk and tell me what exactly it is not suited for and why??”
One situation it’s not well suited for is large, shared-storage, multi-editor environments where the editors (let’s say a dozen), the AEs (2-3) and the producers (a half dozen) all work inside the same Avid projects (typically 1 project per episode). To be fair, no NLE does this as well as Avid does. I know a few places used FCP Legend but in my experience it never worked as smoothly as Avid does in that type of environment.
Another is if a place that wants/needs to be cross platform or PC-only. I know many people aren’t thrilled with the Mac Pro hardware the past few years so having an NLE that’s cross platform gives you more freedom on the hardware front. I’ve been Mac-centric for about 15 years but there is something nice about the all the programs I use the most the now (Avid, PPro, AE, PS, Resolve, etc.,) being cross platform.
[Carsten Orlt] “Maybe the ‘clinging to the past’ was a bit provocative but nothing better than a little provocation to wake up the church 🙂
“The funny thing about Bill’s church comment is when he made the only people that had responded to your comments so far were Oliver (he has extensive experience with X), Charlie (he has extensive experience with X), me (I have no qualms about learning X if it will make me decent money but it’s super slim pickings in LA currently) and David (I don’t think he uses X, but I’m not sure). It’s interesting for a church to be full of agnostics. 😉
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