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The Mother of All NLE Demos
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[Bill Davis] “Prepare to be demonized. You literally can’t stand up in the church of the historic timeline and espouse that ANY of the existing dogma might be dated.
It’s like poking a wasps nest. “
That’s a total misrepresentation Bill – disagreements are the very essence of debates – that you and Carsten can’t seem to tolerate anyone with a different perspective is more like trying to silence the wasps than it is like poking them.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss ProductionsDavid is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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Started out on S-VHS then on over to Betcam SP. worked at SMU taping football games and practices. Did some crash editing. Oh, what fun cleaning the heads on the tape decks. There was one deck that really did eject the tape. When you pressed oh brother did it ever. Shot the tape about a foot or so. Learned to stand back or get hit by a flying tape. Those were the days.
Was introduced to Avid on the pizza box variety of Mac, not sure of the model. School had to ban laptops as people were stealing memory out of the computers. Also, learned how to edit on open reel audio tape. Not fun.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Audio tracks go back well beyond twenty-seven years Bill, and like it or not, they remain the industry standard for the vast majority of editors and audio technicians worldwide.
David Roth Weiss
“Trying to recall how many generations it was where livestock for transportation was the gold standard. : )
Then it all changed.
The question isn’t always “is this the standard” the question is “should this CONTINUE to be the standard?”
Are there new ideas out there that may soon make the best existing technology outdated? I think so. You may not. The change will follow the money.
I’ve found X to be singularly more productive as an NLE than anything else. And while I do not have equivalent experience with AVID or Premier or Vegas, lots of editors I know and talk with DO – and to a one, those who’ve actually learned to use X at a truly professional level DO NOT want to switch back. At all! And to a one they cite that it’s HARDER to do their work without the toolset X uniquely enables and/or provides.
Expending a third more effort to achieve the same results (my contention, shared by the Focus guys and others around the world I correspond with) may not be instantly evident to some merely observing from the outside, but to those using the new tool, it’s a major competitive advantage.
And IF it’s real – it doesn’t matter a lick what the prevailing opinions are.
We’re all doing this to make money. And NOBODY with any sense passes up a chance to make more money by driving that kind of productivity improvement through their practice.
X is NOT perfect.
But it’s great. And people are finding that out, in droves each month, worldwide,
That’s my 2 cents. But then it’s always been. Right? I’m either still just a deluded fanboy OR I saw something valuable before most – and time is proving that I wasn’t an idiot to stake out the “be patient – X could become GREAT” position.
We’ll see.
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[Bill Davis] “Prepare to be demonized. “
[Oliver Peters] “There are plenty of things that X is not well-suited for, just as there are things that tracks are not well-suited for. Rehashing this blind obedience to some concept that X is the most brilliant way forward seems pretty closed minded – just as much as adhering to tracks without recognizing the value of other approaches.”
[Charlie Austin] “I think most people who actually use more than one NLE for real work would agree with you. I do. Though I still maintain that tracks suck when editing. 😉 I’ll concede that they have their uses when mixing. Though a Roles revamp could change my mind. :-)”
Beware! Beware the fire and brimstone being cast down upon us by Oliver the Impaler and Charlie the Scourge Austin as the demonization of Carsten commences! Hide your blanket (statements) and don’t covet your hammer (lest all problems appear as nails) as the intolerable pain of nuanced discussion is thrust upon all inhabitants of the FCPX or Not: The Debate forum!
[Bill Davis] “You literally can’t stand up in the church of the historic timeline and espouse that ANY of the existing dogma might be dated.
“Of course you literally can’t stand up in a place that doesn’t exist. 😉
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[Bill Davis] “and to a one, those who’ve actually learned to use X at a truly professional level DO NOT want to switch back. At all! And to a one they cite that it’s HARDER to do their work without the toolset X uniquely enables and/or provides. “
As someone who has been using FCPX on a “truly professional level” as long as most people I certainly find FCPX is fast, but I’m quite happy to go back to tracks on projects as I’ve been using them for a large part of my career and I don’t quite have the loathing that other FCPX users seem to have for them.
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[David Roth Weiss] “that you and Carsten can’t seem to tolerate anyone with a different perspective is more like trying to silence the wasps than it is like poking them.
“Excuse me.
I find your thinly veiled attempt to cast Carson or me as “intolerant” to be somewhere between demeaning and insulting.
I don’t go nuts here when someone lauds Premier or AVID. But the moment anyone expresses their honest and experienced feelings about X – if, god forbid, those are POSITIVE – guys like you seem to feel it’s their holy right to put us in our places.
Please stop that.
That you have elected NOT to learn enough about X to have gotten over your knee jerk “it’s really just like all the other NLEs” is not our fault.
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[Andrew Kimery] “[Bill Davis] “You literally can’t stand up in the church of the historic timeline and espouse that ANY of the existing dogma might be dated.
”Of course you literally can’t stand up in a place that doesn’t exist. ;)”
DAMN.
The only exercise I’ve been getting during this busy editing week has been when I’ve metaphorically lept up and gesticulated wildly exonerating the unholy forces arrayed aginst me to “BEGONE”
I was kinda hoping that if I ever order an iWatch, I could somehow program it to count the virtual calories.
If not, I’m sunk.
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[Bill Davis] “I was kinda hoping that if I ever order an iWatch, I could somehow program it to count the virtual calories.”
I’m sure there’s an app for that. 😉
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In Davis speak this means you’re obviously not a true FCPX editor. Practice up Steve, you might figure it out someday. It’s sort of like scientology for editors.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Steve Connor] “As someone who has been using FCPX on a “truly professional level” as long as most people I certainly find FCPX is fast, but I’m quite happy to go back to tracks on projects as I’ve been using them for a large part of my career and I don’t quite have the loathing that other FCPX users seem to have for them.”
Very reasonable Steve… I must commend you.
Meanwhile, there are other X users here who just can’t seem to fathom that there just might be good reasons why experienced sound editors might prefer tracks.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss ProductionsDavid is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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