The more I work with PPro the worse it gets

[Jeff Pulera]

Hi Rafael,

Sounds like you are working on a Mac, correct? Please advise – what is your source footage format? Editing sequence settings?

Your issue with the repeating frames could be “pull down” that is added to 24p material to make it 30fps.

Thanks

Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor Computers

[Rafael Metz]

Hi Jeff,

yes, I´m working on a Mac.

The source format is 25p and there is no 24p-30fps pull down (PAL Land over here :-)).

The original sequence format was a Canon based preset (1080p25).

Greetings
Rafael

[Eric Addison]

Rafael,

Can you explain your workflow more – give us more details. As Jeff mentioned, any sequence settings too would be helpful.

—Eric
Owner | 100 ACRE FILMS
https://www.100acrefilms.com

[Robert Brown]

As far as HD looking like crap in an SD sequence I’ve seen the same thing. It’s seems PPro’s scaling is not so good for that so I had to dynamic link those clips to AE and scale them there and it was MUCH better.
Night and day. You may have to experiment with your work flow to get an efficient way to do that, like editing your sequence in HD and down convert the whole thing in AE.

Also keep in mind the whole FCP thing had something really unique going for it that nobody else really seems to have AFAIK. FCP is built on quicktime so you can edit compressed footage and it won’t uncompress/re-compress it unless you apply some effect or CC to it. Meaning if you do a cut with all compressed quicktimes and export those, the frames will be identical to the raw files if you export with the same codec. That gives you more multi-generation capability then the other guys will have using DVCPRO, and ProRes etc. PPro uncompresses everything since it was not built around quicktime or anything like that. It’s designed to work with whatever quicktime, avi etc. in Mac and Windows. That’s also why FCP is faster doing an export. That was kind of a bummer to hear because I thought for sure PPro would be as good as FCP in this regards but it’s not. I’ve ben thinking about mastering to Animation or uncompressed if round tripping or multi generation work is needed because that should achieve the same result.

Robert Brown
Editor/VFX/Colorist – FCP, Smoke, Quantel Pablo, After Effects, 3DS MAX, Premiere Pro

https://vimeo.com/user3987510/videos

[Tom Daigon]

Robert-“thinking about mastering to Animation or uncompressed if round tripping or multi generation work is needed because that should achieve the same result.”

The only drawback being the files will be HUMONGOUS. And probably not a viable solution for anything longer then a commercial.But a good thought.
The prolonged export times seems to be a real albatross that needs to be cut loose.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3

[Robert Brown]

Yeah I think it’s doable if only your output is U/C and not source footage but you definitely have to delete when the project is done.

Robert Brown
Editor/VFX/Colorist – FCP, Smoke, Quantel Pablo, After Effects, 3DS MAX, Premiere Pro

https://vimeo.com/user3987510/videos

[Rafael Metz]

I started with preset Digital SLR 1080p25.
Exporting it as ProRes HQ for Color. From there export as ProRes HQ.
Back in PPro importing the graded material in a Blackmagic Uncompressed preset. Still 1080.
Then into AE, back to PPro.

So, nothing weird from my point of view – except some of the results.

[Erik Mickelson]

I am getting the same, Premiere seems to feel worse the more I use it. ie, there are sooo many workarounds compared to FCP(spotting PSD files is a major headache, Boris Continuum flakiness, cr*ppy transitions etc…). Can we get a decent gradient wipe that has angle control, softness and remembers where the gradient originally came from, or at least set a default that stays default??? Geez I could use that for just about anything.

Now Adobe wants us to pony up $$$ before CS6! I am on track with my Production Suite but will probably NOT upgrade my CS3 Master Collection.

If Apple were to re-release the real 64bit FCP I would probably go back with my tail between my legs, update plugins etc.
Apple will probably do just that(re-release a 64bit FCP), but they will most likely want us to buy a new desktop model. They will backward compatible-cripple the software.

Just ranting, I do like instantly editing without transcoding but HATE the insanely long render times…I need my meds…

CrippleBook Pro 2.3Ghz i7, 8GB ram, SLeopard 10.6.8, FCPStudio 3, QT 7

[Rafael Metz]

Today was another day of PPro hell.
Working with a rendered file out of AE (with Animation codec) PPro didn´t play audio sync any more. After a restart the playback was correct again.
Pulling the Animation codec file in a PAL 25p Blackmagic Preset sequence the video looked like you´ve used a metal brush on it…
I have no idea why PPro produces such weird output, has obviously problems with some sort of codec – and that is what I really don´t get at all. From my point of view, nothing really special was done within this project. But some codecs really don´t look good in the one and other sequence format (like Animation in Blackmagic). As well as downscaling from a HD timeline to a SD timeline…uaargh.

It´s really more than the time that Adobe needs to practice what they´ve preached mid 2011.

I´m really short about to upgrade my old Avid license.

[Tom Daigon]

It sounds like Black Magic is the real source of your problems, not Adobe. They make the drivers.

Hey Rafael, Id love to try that animation file on my system. I run Kona 3 and have been tweeking the system for the utmost performance. I currently have no real issues with either Adobe or Kona sequences. Let me give it a spin and see how it does!

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / PrP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com
Mac Pro 3,1
8 core
10.6.8
Nvidia Quadro 4000
24 gigs ram
Maxx Digital / Areca 8tb. raid
Kona 3