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The FCP-X 10.1.0 nexus?
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[Simon Ubsdell] “… except that there wasn’t all that much refining of the ideas at least not to the degree that I suspect you are claiming.
Those ideas were the same ideas except in the eyes of those who really want to exaggerate the differences.
In fact I’m not sure how much X has evolved beyond the original iMovie design ideas even now – sure we’ve got new features built on top of the iMovie design foundation but the fundamentals of the design haven’t changed at all.
Simon Ubsdell
https://www.tokyo-uk.com“But Simon, to make that point, you have to imply that there’s little difference between the capabilities of iMovie and the capabilities of FCP-X – a claim that I’d dispute.
While the underlying ideas and technology might be similar, it’s like saying that the underlying technology is the same between a 22 caliber pistol and an army field artillery piece. It’s certainly true. But not at all instructive as a comparison.
You simply can t reasonably expect to accomplish the tasks that one is designed to do – if you’re stuck using the other. Can you?
I admit to being pretty ignorant about iMovie.
But if you’re implying that I could have used it to successfully manage and process the pretty huge and complex project I recently completed for the Rocky Mountain Emmy Awards – a task that relied on the ability of FCP-X to import a vast array of formats – manage a very large database of criteria – and rapidly create and share literally dozens of finished projects -all on a brutal schedule – then I’d be very interested in hearing about that.
After all, If I can legitimately reduce my software costs from even the paltry $299 of X to the virtually free point of iMovie – any business person would be nuts not to do so.
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[Bill Davis] ” to make that point, you have to imply that there’s little difference between the capabilities of iMovie and the capabilities of FCP-X – a claim that I’d dispute.”
To say that the design ideas are one and the same – which they are – is of course not to argue that they have the same capabilities.
Although of course the latest version of iMovie has “capabilities” that have leapfrogged what X is capable of!
[Bill Davis] “I admit to being pretty ignorant about iMovie.”
I think you’d be very surprised at how good iMovie has been for a very long time. It’s not X but it’s a hugely impressive piece of design – precisely the design that went into building X. Which is why you like it so much.
[Bill Davis] “it’s like saying that the underlying technology is the same between a 22 caliber pistol and an army field artillery piece. “
I think that’s the wrong sort of analogy. The relationship between iMovie and X is the same as between the Ford with the family-sized engine and the exact same model Ford with the alloy wheels and boy racer engine. Not really that different at all when it comes down to it.
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Then hopefully that will turn into one of X’s greatest strengths.
To have two extremely compatible programs that are so similar that they can share data agilely is precisely what I invoked in the original post here.
I don’t doubt for a second that with the caliber of talent Apple can afford to employ – X (and iMovie for that matter!) will have a long and robust developmental future.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “The relationship between iMovie and X is the same as between the Ford with the family-sized engine and the exact same model Ford with the alloy wheels and boy racer engine. Not really that different at all when it comes down to it.”
Whilst I understand that FCPX is a derivation of some of the concepts first used in iMovie, saying they are not really that different isn’t exactly accurate IMHO.
If we want to used a tired old car analogies then iMovie is an entry level compact and FCPX is an executive saloon.
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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[Steve Connor] “Whilst I understand that FCPX is a derivation of some of the concepts first used in iMovie”
But the point is that X uses all the key highly original design concepts pioneered by iMovie essentially unchanged, so “derivation of some of the concepts” is not really correct at all.
There was a lot of big talk about how the code had been rewritten which somehow managed to obscure this obvious and fundamental fact.
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While the timeline works the same way, multiple connected elements, storylines, compound clips, and separated A/V trimming functionality were new to X.
And I think I think it’s fair to say there was a lot of development on the Event side as far as metadata is concerned. iMove allowed for basic favourite/reject tagging; but keywords, roles, text-searchable notes- and the way FCPX can use them for organization in Smart Collections, or batch renaming, the timeline index, or audio exporting were all improvements on the basic framework.
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[Marcus Moore] “on the basic framework.
“Perhaps that’s a better way to say it, iMovie was the basic framework for FCPX?
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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[Steve Connor] “Perhaps that’s a better way to say it, iMovie was the basic framework for FCPX?”
Exactly.
It’s silly to overstate the case either way but I think this gets it just right.
It’s still a very deal deal to be the basic framework for something so radically different.
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and now I find myself hoping that the new version of FCPX will be MORE like the new iMovie!
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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not bad davis, not bad. you had me lilting along to that notion.
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