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The Cheese Grater is back
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This is a truly wonderful rant coming from someone who has always, until now, celebrated the liberating effects of the no-cost video world of today – FCPX being part of that world, buy once at $295 and never pay for an upgrade again – the iPhone as a democratizing tool for video makers the world over – man the barricades.
And now, screw ’em if they can’t pony up the big bucks, “why you should have seen the Atlantic Ocean in the old days, that was an ocean, not like this pantywaist puddle we have now…”
Who exactly is the dinosaur at this point Bill.
[Bill Davis] “Hell, one PVW level Betacam cost what the ENTIRE fully spec’d out MacPro system just announced is being sold for today. “
Which is why I bought the much cheaper UVW line …” what noise, I don’t see any noise.”
[Bill Davis] “So it ain’t the money, kids. It’s the attitude. “
No, it’s the money. It’s always the money. The greatest words of wisdom I ever heard was “follow the money.” I think one of the Marx Brothers said that, not sure if it was Karl or Groucho.
Herb Sevush
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[Herb Sevush] “UVW line …” what noise, I don’t see any noise.””
I definitely saw noise, no worse than the PVWs though 🙂
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[Herb Sevush] “This is a truly wonderful rant coming from someone who has always, until now, celebrated the liberating effects of the no-cost video world of today – FCPX being part of that world, buy once at $295 and never pay for an upgrade again – the iPhone as a democratizing tool for video makers the world over – man the barricades.”
That’s because according to Bill, Apple can do no wrong. Like ever. Bill, I like you, i’ve eaten pizza with you, you are a genuinely good guy. But the constant cheerleading for absolutely EVERYTHING Apple does is…too much. I mean, I like Apple, but have issues with FCX, and the new Mac Pro. I had issues with old FCP 7, that I loved, and based my career on. I love working on Avid…but there are many things about it that annoy me, and I’ll point them out. And do so in hopes that they get fixed, so I’ll love it even more.
It just seems that you can find no fault with anything Apple does…all…the…time. “FCX IS AMAZING! The only tool anyone should EVER consider, for anything! And they only charge $300, EVER. Great cost cutting savings, they are really aware of the lower budgets we have to deal with. Now, the new MacPro, it’s a powerhouse and another win for Apple. Yeah, it’s expensive, but things were a lot more expensive back in the day. When we had a 5MB hard drive that you had to put into a semi trailer to move.”
yes, I’m being snarky. But that is the annoying thing, Bill. You don’t ever ever find anything wrong with Apple, ever. They are always perfect, always do the right thing, can do no wrong. That us what rubs us wrong….at least me.
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[Shane Ross] “They are always perfect, always do the right thing, can do no wrong. That us what rubs us wrong….at least me.
“I understand, Shane.
But flip it.
Do you EVER push back at the legions who no matter WHAT Apple does, they MUST tell everyone exactly how they’ve got things totally wrong? (Cough, cough, FCP X, The MacPro, overpriced iPhones, Desktop units that are WAY to expensive to succeed…. etc. etc. etc. etc.)
All I’m doing is saying that if one brain can disregard EVERYTHING Apple does that might be in any way CORRECT in order to advance an agenda that says they are no good – you can’t really criticize any brain that takes a path 180 degrees opposite from that can you? Two sides of the EXACT same coin.
Either those “Apple is all bad” voices are fair — or they aren’t. And if they are, you MUST accept that the mirror side of the coin is voices that parrot “Apple is all good” in the EXACT same fashion.
I got into these discussions because that’s what LEGIONS of people were saying.
FCP X is ALL BAD. Period. End of story. And I still run across those guys on the web every single day.So sorry, but at a base level – perhaps I’m no better or worse than someone on the other side. But which of us annoys YOU is really not about us – it’s exclusively about you. And I’m OK with that. If THEY got to annoy me, I reserve the right to annoy them right back.. As you discovered over pizza – I don’t do this in places where a meaninful, nuanced discussion is likely to take place. I do it HERE. Where the most extreme FCP X nay-sayers set up camp early and plied their poisoned rhetoric for years. They were, however, wrong back then. And they are still wrong today. Even tho they’re all over the webs having fun now mocking the fact that the new MacPro is apparently TOO professional with too professional a price for their tastes. Such is life
Take care.
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[Herb Sevush] “This is a truly wonderful rant coming from someone who has always, until now, celebrated the liberating effects of the no-cost video world of today”
Thanks for the compliment, but you must be mistaking me for someone else. I make my living making video – so I’m no down with the “no cost video world of today.” What I’m TOTALLY down with is tools that help me make more money, faster. Which has EXACTLY been my experience with X!
[Herb Sevush] “No, it’s the money. It’s always the money. The greatest words of wisdom I ever heard was “follow the money.” I think one of the Marx Brothers said that, not sure if it was Karl or Groucho.
“Pretty sure “follow the money” was Deep Throat to Bob Woodward in the garage during Watergate.
Still, here you are.
Don’t I remember you as one of the loudest voices bitching about how FCP X wasn’t good enough for “professional use” year after year?
I guess what you were ACTUALLY saying is that Apple didn’t care to deliver something ideal for the exact type of editor YOU needed them to care about. Which, I suppose has proved true.
What they delivered is something for editors which significantly greater needs than you – a machine basically TOO professional for you.
Welcome to the great middle.
You will survive. And be confident you will still have LOTS of things to complain about going forward!
Be well.
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Agreed. And I think we will see some interesting announcements from Red and BM about the new MacPro by IBC.
As to the price topic: I totally disagree that there is an issue with the price of the new MacPro. Certainly not within the circles I frequent, which clearly are the target audience for this machine. Everyone I have spoken with since Monday has confirmed that they are very impressed with the new MacPro and they will buy one or more of them. One client will be purchasing 28 units as soon as they are available (they currently use a mix of 2012 and 2013 MacPros). It looks like the 16-core model with the Radeon Pro Vega II Duo and possibly an Afterburner card (depends on the workflows) is considered to be the sweet spot for many of those people. No-one I have spoken with is considering the base model.
But I do respect the opinion of anyone who says this MacPro is not for them. That does not mean there is anything wrong with it, or with its price. It just means that it does not fit within their business model. And that’s not a problem at all, there are many other offerings on the market that will fit their needs.
I also agree with Herb and Brett that Apple should consider making a mid-level version of this machine, at a starting price point that will appeal to a larger audience. Whether this will happen or not, we will have to wait and see. But, if they would do this, then we could truly say that “the Cheese Grater” is back.
– Ronny
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[Bill Davis] “Pretty sure “follow the money” was Deep Throat to Bob Woodward in the garage during Watergate.”
Pretty sure you’re right, although my attribution was funnier.
[Bill Davis] “Don’t I remember you as one of the loudest voices bitching about how FCP X wasn’t good enough for “professional use” year after year?”
Nope. It wasn’t good enough for professional use for the first year. After that it was a matter of taste, but year after year I did complain whenever you tried to make the case that it was the best and fastest NLE ever, but since you’ve backed off on that front these last few years I now only get to rile you up when you start talking about Zeus.
[Bill Davis] “I guess what you were ACTUALLY saying is that Apple didn’t care to deliver something ideal for the exact type of editor YOU needed them to care about. Which, I suppose has proved true. “
Indeed.
[Bill Davis] “You will survive. And be confident you will still have LOTS of things to complain about going forward!”
I’ve never been disappointed with the world’s ability to disappoint me.
(I think I said that. )
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush]”Pretty sure you’re right, although my attribution was funnier.”
Gold. I got it and laughed a lot.
This has been a most amusing thread and brought a few back to entrenched positions to slaughter metaphors and trade their particular truisms. If nothing else Apple has delivered on what they said for pros and I’m certainly happy with that. If only because it was getting increasingly uncomfortable for those cheering on the Apple side so the debates can now continue.
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[Bill Davis] “But flip it.
Do you EVER push back at the legions who no matter WHAT Apple does, they MUST tell everyone exactly how they’ve got things totally wrong? (Cough, cough, FCP X, The MacPro, overpriced iPhones, Desktop units that are WAY to expensive to succeed…. etc. etc. etc. etc.)”
Yes…the people who bad mouth every single thing Apple does is JUST as bad. Trollish, really. I mean, why are you here if all you are going to do is say, “Apple sucks” and offer nothing fruitful to the discussion.
[Bill Davis] “Either those “Apple is all bad” voices are fair — or they aren’t. And if they are, you MUST accept that the mirror side of the coin is voices that parrot “Apple is all good” in the EXACT same fashion.”
I feel the aren’t…so that means I DON’T have to accept the mirror of that. I swear, you sound like an Apple PR person, only saying the greatest things about Apple and how everything it does is good. The fact that you can’t seem to find ANYTHING to grumble about is mystifying to me. Even the most ardent Apple supporters will have some gripe about something.
Shane
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And you just seem like a total “YES” man, just saying how great and amazing Apple is, all the time.
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