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Teaching Final Cut class, and need to know how to set up lab.
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[Paul Belanger] “This is a forum that is always filled with bitter old people who never answer direct questions.”
Humm!!! Sounds like you’re the one who’s bitter to me.
I guess it’ll be interesting to see how many of us bitter old people come your rescue the next time you’re in distress.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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Your proving my point David and Scott. Typical Cow.
Others people gave helpful advice.
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[Paul Belanger] “Others people gave helpful advice.
“I was actually busy helping other people when I saw your comment, which is insulting to all on this forum who unselfishly help people here 24/7/365.
Since you have exactly 79 posts over nine years, it’s clear that you haven’t been going out of your way to help anyone Paul. I needn’t defend myself to you, because my record speaks for itself; I’m number 6 leading poster of all time on the Cow and number seven in terms of tagged posts (i.e. posts that helped), so don’t aim your hostility at me, cuz I know where you live.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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Not aimed directly at you David.
You have to agree there is way too much unhelpful clutter on here. -
[Paul Belanger] “Not aimed directly at you David.”
I knew that initially since I wasn’t even involved in that thread, but there are many, many here who give unselfishly and none deserve to be insulted.
[Paul Belanger] “You have to agree there is way too much unhelpful clutter on here.”
Overall, though nothing’s perfect, I think this forum is one of the most informational anywhere. Given that this forum has the most traffic of any on the Cow, and that it gets questions from advanced professionals all the way down to the most rank of beginners, I think it does a pretty darned good job, and I hate to see posts that inadvertently malign all the good things that emanate from here.
Sure, everyone here gets frustrated occasionally, but that’s easy considering that we see the same questions over and over and because we’re constantly having to probe people to give us more information. Nonetheless, even though it’s not perfect, this is still the best place on the planet to get FCP help, and it sure beats calling Apple.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[Paul Belanger] “Not aimed directly at you David.
You have to agree there is way too much unhelpful clutter on here.”You forgot to mention the part about David always being one of the first people to step up and help everyone…and also the part about how he’s just a nice dude all around with a great sense of humor.
Yes there is a lot of clutter on the boards, but a lot of it comes from people being Lazy by not.
A) searching the boards for similar information.
B) even attempting basic troubleshooting when they have a problem.Imagine if you had 10 different people asking you nearly the exact same questions in one day…and It’s the same question you get asked every day by at least 10 people. That’s exactly how a lot of the guys that are heavy posters on this board must feel. So before you criticize people for making “snide” remarks… maybe think about where they are coming from. Every coin has two sides.
-mattyc
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[Matt Callac] “Yes there is a lot of clutter on the boards, but a lot of it comes from people being Lazy by not.
A) searching the boards for similar information.
B) even attempting basic troubleshooting when they have a problem.”Amen to that brother!
And of course not reading the manual.
Typical problem, usually with a panic type subject line in all upper case.
Poster just loaded FCP on his system, after coming from platform X. Poster has big job, many hours of footage, and said job is due tomorrow. FCP is either acting weird, or taking to long to output footage, audio is drifting out of sync or any one of handful of problems that are operator error from not reading the manual and understanding the workflow.
A lot of us “old bitter people” learned to edit before there was such a wealth of easy and convenient info on how the gear works. You learned by being taught the basics and being thrown into the gig. If you were really lucky you could go to something like CMX school, but that didn’t teach you anything about the rest of the gear like big multi-bank switchers, or the DVE.
Long hours of ‘trial and error’, usually on your own time were the norm. No other editors were going to come in for free and show you all their tricks. If you wanted to discover them, you had to work at it.
This environment gave us some great skills, that are severely lacking in many these days.
1. The desire to read readily available technical information.
2. Troubleshooting.
3. The ability to reverse engineer what is on the screen, in order to do something similar.
4. How to gracious when someone does help you.
In my day, when you asked the teacher how to spell something, she would tell you “go look it up”, and not just hand you the answer.
I think we are doing a huge disservice to many newbies for providing way too many quick and easy solutions to common basic problems. A little bit of suffering will do them some good. It builds character.
And one of the things they need to learn is to not take on big projects until they know what they are doing.
When you encourage bad behavior, you just get more of it.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.comI have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
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[Matt Callac] “You forgot to mention the part about David always being one of the first people to step up and help everyone…and also the part about how he’s just a nice dude all around with a great sense of humor.”
Have you ever thought about a career in public relations? You’re hired!
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[Morgan Schenk] “Whats the best way to transfer all of these files onto ever computer in the lab? Should i be worried about how big some of the projects are?” Firewire 800. Have each student do it, one at a time, even if it takes a lot of time. You can stress media management, and capture scratch and so on.
[Morgan Schenk] “Is it going to take a fort night to transfer everything or is there a simple way?” Since this is an example, you don’t need that much footage, just a wide shot, medium shot, close up shot. Stressing this is practice for your real project.
[Morgan Schenk] “Also does anyone know where i can get some stock footage for them to play with? “Don’t even worry about it. The power of learning the gist of editing is you can make your own stuff. So the more you can get them to do that, the easier time you will have.
[Morgan Schenk] “Am I missing anything important?”
You should google the state standards for video. It can be categorized as two things: (1) An art class where a set of aesthetic values are emphasized, or (2) A career and technical education where work place practices are emphasized.
You should discuss both in relevant ways. For example, on aesthetics, you can explain matching action or 180 degree rule and so on. But for work place practices you can explain “technical” details like capture scratch, render, codecs, and all the other crap the makes normal people’s eyes glaze over.
Also they’re going to want to cut footage as soon as possible. I mean they’ve heard about the digital revolution and they want to participate in it. Then they will want to do their own project and export to a medium (probably a DVD) they can show people. They might also enjoy uploading to youtube or facebook.
You will run out of time before you run out of material (whether art or tech), and your instruction should have some lecture and plenty of one on one time.
People learn in different ways, some are listeners, some are seers, some are doers. So it’s wise to incorporate all three types of learning styles.
Oh and some people won’t know where the on button. And other folks will complain that it’s a mac. And so on.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Have you ever thought about a career in public relations? You’re hired!”
Actually, now that you mention it. About to go into that business. What are you planning to pay me?
-mattyc
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