syncing video in NTSC monitor

[David Bogie]

The composite coming out of the 1800 should be stable. If it isn’t. you ahve an issue with the Sony, not with blackburst or the monitor.

Hooking your rig up is easy. Composite out to monitor in. Loop out to your convertor box to the Mac.

However, there are about fifteen differnet and unrelated reasons why your video monitor might be rolling. Wait, you didn’t say it was rolling, you say it out of sync. What does that mean to you?

bogiesan

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[David Roth weiss]

Capturing doesn’t require sync from a blackburst generator — edit to tape does.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Post-production Supervisor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

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[Jeff Carrion]

Wow, we have the eaxct same setup (UVW-1800 w/the Horita) and have the exact same problem!

The output from the Beta deck rolls, weather or not the Horita is on or off. However, even though the OUTPUT rolls, the INPUT (usually from a DSR-45) is stable so the tape does record and playback just fine.

Is this a Sony issue or are we not hooking up the Horita correctly. (We just go out from one of the black-burt outs on the Horita to the Ref. In on the Beta deck.

If it is a Sony issue, how do we fix/adjust it?

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[David Roth weiss]

If you’re supplying sync to the Beta deck you have to supply the same sync to the monitor.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Post-production Supervisor
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY

[Jason Noto]

okay. I hadn’t heard the term rolling, but yest that describes what my monitor is doing while I try and edit or watch footage.

Thanks. I appreciate any insight and info you are able to share

Jason

[Jeff Carrion]

Just tried that, still rolls.

I tried taking a second output from the Horita to the monitor’s sync in (Sony PVM-14M2U) and taking a loop-thru output from the Beta deck’s Ref input/output to the monitor, no luck.

We’ve been living like this for years, arghh. It’s actually rather embarrasing!

“No TV and no beer make Homer something, something…”

[Jeff Carrion]

Interesting update:

Just talked to Tech support at Horita, started to explain my situation and about halfway through the guy stopped me and said “You’re using a UVW-1800 right?”

He explained that he gets called almost daily with this problem and that there is some sort of issue with the way the 1800’s internal TBC connects with its Ref input. The bottom line being that we are doing nothing wrong with the Horita and that the issue is with the 1800 and, furthermore, to his knowledge there is no known way to fix it.

So I guess we’ll just have to continue to live with it.

“No TV and no beer make Homer something, something…”

[Adam Smith]

Beta plays fine, beta records fine, but pass-through signal while recording slowly rolls or creeps in little jumps, right?

Your video source needs to be in the sync loop as well, is there signal from the BB Generator going to the device playing the video?

If not, then hook it up. If so, then I’d check to see if you have a bad cable or output from the BB to that source.

It’s possible you can ‘fake it’… if the video output source has multiple outs you can feed component to the beta to record as normal and use a composite video out of that same machine to the beta’s sync in. So in this instance you’d not be using the BB at all.

This is similar to what we’ve had to do for years when dubbing from peoples MDV cameras to Beta without having to dig out the switcher… S-Video for record signal, composite video for ‘sync’. Gets the job done.

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Maximus Media Inc.

[David Bogie]

Rolling output has always been an issue with the Sony 1800 beta decks. All three of ours have done that since Ye Olde Media 100 days, as long as we’ve had them. Affects nothing, just annoying as heck. If you put a scope on the output you’ll see it’s stable and, of course, the image coming into your capture card/box should also be stable.

bogiesan

This is my standard sigfile so do not take it personally: “For crying out loud, read the freakin’ manual.”

[Jeff Carrion]

Hey cool, your “faking it” idea worked! For the first time in years we have a non-rolling signal!!!

On thing though: We’re using out DSR-45’s composite out as the ref signal in the 1800’s and even though the picture no longer rolls we are now getting the REF NON-STANDARD message. I know that this really won’t hurt anything and it will still record and playback fine but it’s just annoying. I guess it’s one annoyance or another: rolling picture or ref non-standard.

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