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Swichting from 844/X
This is probably the best place where I can find some information about Avid’s Nitris, perhaps there are also some who know the eQ from Quantel and I hope that you can point me in some direction which is based on your experience.
I’m working now on a Media 100 844/Xe with XBLUR and as you know development is freezed (or stopped) by Optibase so I don’t expect any new stuff, there for I’m looking at the future and if I want to have a systems that’s in picture quality and speed I think that Nitris DS and eQ from Quantel are the systems tho compare, right?
I work with my clients beside me and they are used to the realtime stuff (or short period of time to process) that I have now available.
I had last week a short demo of the eQ from Quantel but I like to have some user info about Nitris DS before I’m going to have a demo.I do mostly compositing but also some long format, for us is that max 30 minutes, 844/X had four 10 bit uncompressed 4:4:4:4 streams that can played at once, including color correction, scaling, rotation, position and video effects realtime and with the optional XBLUR, 4 streams realtime gaussian blur. Never the less some basic feature are going to work against me and I need to swicht over to After Effects, for instance large picture and vector based files import isn’t available, 3D environment and motion blur on animated layers.
For us is HD and shared storage or workflow not a hot issue. Also HD isn’t that important in European commercial market and there for is the option that Quantel has offers for us verry usefull. The hardware is HD and you buy a licence for the peroid that you need (a week or two, thee etc, etc) after that period you can master you HD footage but you can’t edit with it.
Nitris DS is HD already and in that perspective to much for us for the coming year.Some question which hopefull can be answerd by you:
eQ is around 120.000$ complete, Nitris DS complete is …….?
Realtime compositing effects will be probably the same athough I heared somewhere that the 3D DVE and Character generation in Nitris DS is 8 bit only?
What is the difference between the Nitris DS and Nitris DS Editor?
Is the compositing on a higher level (in terms of tools and possibility) then After Effects?
At what point there is a process or render button needed to push on. For example when I do scaling, positioning and glow fully animated on four layers do I need to render? HD and or SD.You hope you can give a honest answer on what is good and what is bad on the Nitris DS and perhaps you have some tips to send me the demo in.
Thanks in advance.
Best,
J
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eQ is around 120.000$ complete, Nitris DS complete is …….?
$100k
Realtime compositing effects will be probably the same athough I heared somewhere that the 3D DVE and Character generation in Nitris DS is 8 bit only?
As far as I know they are 10 bit, but then, Avid said that about Symphony too. Not sure now that you bring it up.
What is the difference between the Nitris DS and Nitris DS Editor?
the 3D DVE. I wouldn’t bother with editor. Quite the teaser.
Is the compositing on a higher level (in terms of tools and possibility) then After Effects?
No, not at all but having the same capabilities within the DVE saves alot of time, and therefor, makes it more powerful, imo.
At what point is there a process or render button needed to push on. For example when I do scaling, positioning and glow fully animated on four layers do I need to render? HD and or SD.
Yes to both of those. Anything ya do is considered a stream.. even a dissolve when an effect is there.
It really aint that bad though. You can render and keep rocking on, without having to wait for it.If effects are your thang, eQ is your buddy. It’s just freakin’ awesome. If hard-hitting editing that requires effects is what your looking for, Nitris is the bombdiggity. While I do feel forced by Avid to buy this product, the bottom line is it’s great. 100k great? Well, no but it’s well worth $70k and Avid doesn’t offer any good products for 70k. That leaves the question… $120k for eQ and have all you ever wanted in effects land while spending a little extra time than needed editing… or overpay for Nitris, edit quickly but wish you had more power in effects land (like that SWEEEET tracker that trakcs off screen with no problemo in eQ).
Only your workflow can answer that question.
Have you looked at Smoke?
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Thanks for your opinion, I’ve downloaded the PDF’s from Nitris and Smoke and the 3D DVE effects and character generation are 8 bit?? The Smoke on Linux is 8 bit and the DI on SGI is 10 bits and higher so that would be on the same level as 844/X.
Any idea what those version will cost?
Best,
J
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I’m pretty rusty on those ever-changing prices but I did just get an email from Autodesk offering me 70k off any product with trade in of my Symphony.
Last number I heard (on SGI) was 140k, I think.
Don’t hold me to that.. it’s been a while.
They did look outstanding at NAB, for what it’s worth.
… but then, So did eQ and DS Nitris.
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