Subclip name lost when replacing footage

[Alex Udell]

Hi Jimmy…

WARNING TRY THIS ON A COPY OF YOUR PROJECT FILE, NOT THE ORIGINAL FOR SAFETY REASONS.

When you say “HOWEVER, whilst doing a test – when I go to replace the master clip with it’s ProResHQ version, that master clip’s SUBclips don’t see the new master and continue to use the proxy XDCAM file.”

What are you doing for the replacement?

Relinking media?

You should be able to expose media path in the Project Panel.
Sort by it the path, so that the Subclips attached the same proxy parent file are grouped together.

then you can multiselect groups of clips, right click and choose, Make offline.

In the dialog that appears, choose “media files remain on disk”

then right click the still selected group again and choose Link Media.

then point to the ProRez master.

That should allow you not to have to things one by one.

However, are you also saying that relinking media of subclips changes the names of clips in the project panel and timeline?

I don’t remember that happening with master clips, so I’m surprised it happens with sub clips.

However if you are at the point of connecting back to the full rez media, aren’t you ready for output, anyway, or is this being passed on to a FCP editor or something?

Alex

[Jimmy Brunger]

Hi Alex,

Thanks for your help. I’m doing all this before I start the project, to avoid a workflow nightmare further down the line, so just want to get this bulletproof before moving forward…

Will try the media path sorting thing – although when I come to do this all the subclips will be different bins depending on type (bins not necessarily relating to each original master clip – the subs within each master are all diff, so will be mixed up into different bins…if that makes sense!?) so basically, although this does sound like a workaround – it will take a while to do for each bin.

EDIT: Just looked in my project bin (CS4) and no field showing media path, which is odd! No right click, etc will bring up more fields and tabbed it fullscreen – GONE!?! Any ideas?

As for the renaming of subclip – I found problem with that – there is a check box on import dialog where you can switch this off, so that’s cool.

However, if I do what you suggested: offline subs > select all > relink to new source file – then the subclips then cease to be subclips, is that correct? When I’ve done it in the past it then changes into a master clip once relinked or ‘replace footag-ed’.

Reason why I’m doing this is simply because CS4 is a total bag of **** with ProRes, so having to transcode to XDCAM so I can preview & edit in realtime, do the edit, then replace with original higher quality ProRes footage before rendering. Bit of a pain, but I’ve tried everything else! Can’t find another codec that looks as good as ProRes and will playback 1 x 1080p stream in realtime. Uncompressed HD is out of the question and can’t afford investing in Cineform. XDCAM HD422 looks pretty good, but introduces artifacts (and gamma shifts) even with that, so need to resort back to ProRes for final VFX/Grading ideally.

Also, before I go too far with this – is there a known problem with Dynamic Link to/from AE with subclips? DL is the main reason I’ve chosen Premiere as my NLE for this project, so want to be sure I don’t get stung further down the line!

Thanks again for any pointers!
J.

[Steve Brame]

“Thanks for your help. I’m doing all this before I start the project, to avoid a workflow nightmare further down the line, so just want to get this bulletproof before moving forward…”

One of the most brilliant plans I’ve ever read.

Steve Brame
creative illusions Productions

[Alex Udell]

” so basically, although this does sound like a workaround – it will take a while to do for each bin.”

well what if when you were making the subclips, you used a field like “description” (or something else) to tag the subclips from a common parent clip? that way you could use the Sift quickly to the relevant set by clicking the find box (magnifying glass) in the project panel and entering the unique tag?

“EDIT: Just looked in my project bin (CS4) and no field showing media path, which is odd! No right click, etc will bring up more fields and tabbed it fullscreen – GONE!?! Any ideas?”

It likely hidden. Need to turn that column on: Choose Metadata Display from the Project panel menu

“However, if I do what you suggested: offline subs > select all > relink to new source file – then the subclips then cease to be subclips, is that correct? When I’ve done it in the past it then changes into a master clip once relinked or ‘replace footag-ed’.”

Hmmm….never done this with subclips. So I can’t answer that accurately.

Question: however, since a subclip is essentially a marked off version of it’s parent, the frames used in the edit should not change even if it does end up becoming a “master” when switched to Online rez via the relink.

in fact, if there were any issues with Dynamic link and subclips (based on the concern you raised), wouldn’t this negate that concern anyway? as then you’d be dealing with master clips when introducing dynamic link into the pipeline.

I commend you for doing the due diligence to test your workflow before embarking on the edit. You are a smart, smart man!

hope I’m helping

Alex

[Vince Becquiot]

I’ve had to do this with about 900 subclips last month.

It is a bit of a nightmare…

Vince Becquiot

Kaptis Studios
San Francisco – Bay Area

[Jimmy Brunger]

Any tips Vince!?

Alex – thanks again. Will do some tests in the morning on those suggestions and all being well I can crack on a get logging!

Last thing – anyone got any ideas for a better quality codec (but still relatively lightweight – as per ProRes) I could transcode to instead of XDCAM HD422? If I can get similar quality to ProRes, but running smooth in PPro CS4 on a mac….then I won’t even need to worry about relink to high-res later!

Thanks again all.

[Jon Barrie]

cineform?

https://www.cineform.com

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[Jimmy Brunger]

Would love to, but £320 just for smooth playback is a bit steep! 🙁