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  • Stupip/Funny question about boot drives

    Posted by Andreas Kiel on October 21, 2012 at 11:37 am

    For support reasons I have to have 3 disks (10.6x,10.7x,10.8x)

    So if I boot from disk 1 it doesn’t see the events/projects created on disk 1 when booted from disk 2 or disk 3. Same with any other boot disk – it never sees what have been created by another “system”.

    It’s totally clear why – but does it make sense?
    Makes me feel like “sparse disk is the only way to go” …

    -Andreas

    Spherico
    https://www.spherico.com/filmtools

    Richard Herd replied 13 years, 6 months ago 4 Members · 13 Replies
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  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 21, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    The Event/Project folders would have to be in root, not User > Movies.

    If FCPX had a system in place just like their SAN Locations but for regular drives, it would be 1,000 times less stupid.

    😉

    Jeremy

  • Andreas Kiel

    October 21, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Jeremy,

    As said I know why this happens.

    And your answer is wrong 🙂 🙂

    If I boot from disk 1 and add an event to disk 2 the event is on the root level of the disk.
    If I boot from disk 2 the event obviously is still on the root level and not in Users/me/Movies where it needs to be.

    So an application is needed in the startup items which moves all events/projects from the current boot drive’s root into the current users folder and move all events/projects from other drives which are in user folders to the root level.

    Andreas

    Spherico
    https://www.spherico.com/filmtools

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 21, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    I like to say I was half right! 😉

    Yes, I meant having other drives as the scratch drives.

  • Bill Davis

    October 22, 2012 at 3:43 am

    Just for the record, the Events/Projects folders do NOT have to be on a local drive for X to work with them.

    If X is running on a machine and is presented with any drive or volume that has the proper Event/Project folders on it it will see them and load the assets as if they’re local.

    You can manage projects by just sequestering them on volumes or drives. The ONLY projects that will display on any drive are just the ones that it can look out and see. So the simplest solution is not to let whatever OS version you’re testing see the Event/Projects you don’t want them to.

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  • Andreas Kiel

    October 22, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Hmm,

    I think events/projects must be on local (direct attached) volumes either ejectable or not. A network volume won’t work regardless of the structure – except SAN. For NAS or other machines connected to your computer you need to work with sparse disk images.

    The scenario I described obviously only works convenient with sparse disk images. 10.7 up also would allow to “auto-mount” them at boot time.
    You also have to make sure that the root structure doesn’t contain any folder name like “VIDEO” or “DCIM” or anything that makes FCPX to think “Hey, that could be a cam card”.

    As said with my examples, if I need to boot from disk 1 the events/projects on this disk need to be in “~/Movies/” but they will be in “/Final Cut Events” and “/Final Cut Projects” because they where created when using another boot drive. So I have to move them to “~/Movies”. When have to boot from another drive I have to move them back to the root level – as long I want to make them visible for FCPX.
    That’s how it works and there is no other way to make it work.

    @ Jeremy: Okay I agree, you where half right 😉

    Andreas

    Spherico
    https://www.spherico.com/filmtools

  • Bill Davis

    October 22, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Well you do have to have at least ONE movie in your /Movies folder for X to launch – but for me it’s usually just a single voiceover workspace project.

    That satisfies X’s requirement that there be the proper folder structure for launch. Then all my actual working projects simply live on detachable drives. This also insures that I never have to needlessly fight Boot Drive space issues.

    Nobody working at my machine when the drives are off-line can see ANY of my clients work. But plugging in the appropriate drive makes a client’s work instantly available – tho in X’s Project Library folders so only the projects I elect to open for display are visually represented.

    Seems to me to fit the OP’s original request.

    Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 22, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Bill-

    That’s not Andreas’s issue.

    Jeremy

  • Richard Herd

    October 24, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    I’ll be teaching FCPX (and PPr on Windows) in a high school in a couple of weeks. I will have 2 iMacs, and I’ve been wondering how to set this up from a sharing projects point of view. A student might start a project on computer 1. Then need to use computer 2. and so on.

    Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

    Note: I will apply for a grant in January to install a NAS, but maybe that is wrong.

    Last note: I’ve ordered Bill’s software rec in his signature.

    Thanks!
    Rich

  • Andreas Kiel

    October 24, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Rich,

    First of all it’s not possible and recommended that two people work at the same time on the same project.

    You can take the route to exchange portable drives – this is the most simple approach.

    Another approach is to create sparse disk images on either of the machines or on both.
    As long the machines are connected the sparse disk can be mounted on any of the two machines. So create a sparse disk image and put event and projects there. You will have access from both machines (or any machine in the network).

    Using an NAS will require the same procedure since FCPX won’t see the required structure on any network attached volume. But if you got enough money you can use a SAN.

    I created a little app which helps to create and handle sparse disk images with ease. It’s free.
    https://www.spherico.com/filmtools/createDiskImage/index.html

    You also can create them using Disk Utility and Terminal in case you want to modify them.

    Andreas

    Spherico
    https://www.spherico.com/filmtools

  • Richard Herd

    October 24, 2012 at 5:44 pm

    [Andreas Kiel] “to create sparse disk images on either of the machines or on both”

    Could each student have their own sparse disk image? If so, what size?

    Thanks!

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