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Stupid dissolve question
Good morning, cow people.
I normally edit projects that are interlaced standard def 29.97fps (DVC Pro 50) and hi def 59.94 (DVC Pro HD). So now I’m working on my first progressive 24p fps (23.976 fps) show. My entire workflow, timeline, footage, everything is 23.976 fps progressive.
And sooooo… why do my dissolves and fades look so “steppy”? My logic tells me it’s a frames-per-second issue. Sure enough, if I take a couple clips, put a 1-second dissolve between them, the dissolve is very fluid at 59.94fps, definitely OK at 29.97 fps, but “steppy” or “chunkity” at 23.976 fps.
Again, logically this makes sense. But is it so wrong of me to want a fluid dissolve or fade to black at 24 fps, just like in all the really cool Hollywood movies I typically watch? *They* don’t have steppy dissolves and fades.
It’s me, right?
Larry (why didn’t I become a blueberry farmer?) Marshall
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15 Replies
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Make sure “Render All” is checked and try rendering it and see if that does anything. Also is your playback setting on highest quality or is it dynamic?
Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media Inc.
Video Production and Post
Owner/President/Editor/Designer/Animator
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“Render All” is checked, and playback is on “Highest Quality”…
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Kidding about “those cool Hollywood dissolves”! Point being – my dissolves and fades (half-second, one-second, two-second) are just not fluid and smooth at 24 fps…
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Hi Dave –
I thought of that… I’m doing a lot of comping of the footage in After Effects. I am rendering everything as frames, not fields, and “3:2 pulldown” is not available to me in the “render settings” dialog box. It’s greyed out… only active if I select “fields” for rendering.
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Hi Dave – here’s the report:
Clips playing directly in Quicktime player indicate 23.98 fps.
Final Cut project timeline is 23.98 fps.
Clips in FC’s browser window indicate 23.98 fps.
So, if I take two clips and put them on the timeline (or two still images, whatever) and put a dissolve or fade of 1 second (or 2 or 3), I get a less-than-silky smooth transition. It doesn’t “stick”… it’s just mildly “steppy”, as opposed to a continuous ramp. “Best rendering” every option is turned on.
After Effects: I’m not using the video footage… I’m just pulling moves on photos, traveling text across screen, etc. Comp setting is 23.976, rendering out as fields…
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Also done. All from the get-go.
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Thus my premise in my very first post in the thread. I am *so used* to 29.97 and 59.94 that maybe I’m shooting at nothing here…
Thanks for your interest and suggestions, Dave and Rich.
Larry (really, was 3/4″ all that bad?) Marshall
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Nobody brought this up and it has tripped me up before… What is your playback setting? If you have it set to half it’s not so bad in 59.94, but if it’s set to half in 24p then you’re watching 12fps video. Not always noticeable on the video clips, but add a dissolve or a move and it’s very noticeable.
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Playback is full. Quality is high. Puzzlement is huge. What’s really puzzling: the 23.98 clips themselves are completely smooth. But throw a dissolve or a fade on ’em… definitely not smooth transitions.
Larry (I’m pretty sure a lot of people make a lot more money with much less headache) Marshall
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Where are you monitoring the stutter? On a computer or video monitor? What kind of monitor? NTSC or 24p capable LCD? How is it getting there? Matrox, Kona, DVCam deck, etc?
And, as been said, make sure it’s fully rendered.
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Monitoring from an AJA LHi HD component to a Sony PVM-20L5 NTSC, capable of displaying the HiDef signal. I have used this monitor for several years monitoring DVC Pro HD in gorgeous hi-def detail. But your question raised the obvious flag: apparently it can’t display progressive.
Sent the FCP program to both a 27″ Apple Cinema display and then to a Dell 22″ 16:9 display. (Ahem) (*cough* *cough*)… things are looking, shall we say, much more improved.
Bret wins a cookie. I get 24 hours in the corner with a dunce cap.
Larry (perhaps a glass of wine will help me feel better) Marshall
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