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  • stabilizer or dv rig pro

    Posted by Neil Jay on December 7, 2006 at 8:36 pm

    Hi, I shoot a few sports fantasy camps, and children’s day camps. I’m walking around a lot and fiwould like to find an alternative to my tripod. After doing a little research, I’ve narrowed it down to either a glidecam 4000 with smoothshooter or a dv rig pro. I realize that they are different animals. Any suggestions on which one to choose if you could only have one.
    Thanks,
    Neil

    Markwoods replied 19 years, 4 months ago 8 Members · 16 Replies
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  • Mark Suszko

    December 7, 2006 at 10:19 pm

    Neither.

    Well, I like a monopod for quickly moving to a new spot and taking fixed shots that are very stable. Monopods also let you take high-angle psuedo-jib shots if the camera is small. If you put enough weight near the bottom of one, it also acts like a fairly good motion stabilizer due to pendulum effect.

    But for following kids around in activities, from medium to closeup distances, I like the Manfrotto Fig Rig. Better yet, the imitation one I made from a used bike rim and some welded steel. lower priced:-)

    With the small handicam-form-factor camcorders, this is an awesome way to shoot while in motion. Mine cost me maybe ten bucks, the bike rim was free from the junk pile behind the bike shop, I think it was around 23 inches. I snipped off the spokes and lost the hub, sanded off the rust and had a friend spot weld perforated steel angle iron from ace hardware onto that. Tidied it up with black pipe wrap insulating foam and tie wraps. The grip and comfotrt is amazing, as is the stability and ability to effortlessly point and rotate under complete control. It’s all in the leverage and where the ring lets you put that leverage. It helps a lot that when I use this rig it’s with the intent of running the lens wide and not telephoto, moving the body and camera physically instead of zooming.

    Try this, if it doesn’t make you feel too wierd. Stop by the bike or auto accessory aisles of Walmart or similar. Pick up a spare 20-23-inch or so bike wheel/tire , or one of the automobile steering wheel covers in that section of the store. Holding at the 9 and 3 o’clock positions, or just below there, hold the thing out in front of you and feel how it is to control it in height, pitch, and roll.

  • Reg Gothard

    December 8, 2006 at 3:42 am

    This is something I’d like to read more of people’s experiences about. I’ve been researching for something that will help me go mobile in a range of situations, and my conclusion so far is that no one item will do everything I want.
    Varizoom’s Flowpod strikes me as an excellent combination of monopod and stabilizer (although I haven’t tried one yet), but if a person wanted to throw in the occasional up shot from near ground level, you have to pause and re-rig the Flowpod with its low-flo kit first (I’ve been told about the “turn the camera and monopod upside down” trick – haven’t tried that yet either).
    And the big disadvantage of most stabilizers is the strain they put on your arm (I’m told).

    Enter the stabilizer-and-vest combinations. But now (I assume) you’re limited to the reach of whatever mechanism links the camera to the vest. No quick change to high-up shots or low-flo shots. And I think I’d feel like a bodyguard with that vest on under a suit…
    The demo footage of the Steadicam Merlin is VERY impressive, but same likely problem – arm strain. And it isn’t a monopod substitute like the Flowpod.
    I haven’t yet tried the Fig Rig – it was recommended to me at a recent meeting, but I’m not convinced it’s going to help me and my shaky hands…

    After reading back what I just wrote, I think I convinced myself that the Flowpod is the best compromise for me, but before I part with my money… please would those of you with experience of different systems be prepared to share your experiences – pros and cons of the various systems?

  • Neil Jay

    December 8, 2006 at 5:50 pm

    Has anyone used the DV Rig Pro? If so, is it basically a walking tripod or does it allow for smoother walking shots as well (compared to handheld shots)?

  • Doug Graham

    December 8, 2006 at 6:31 pm

    I have personal experience with several types of shoulder brace, and with the Varizoom FlowPod.

    I prefer the FlowPod in monopod mode to any of the shoulder braces I’ve used. The one thing I’d like to add is a pan/tilt head. Bogen makes a monopod with a little head on it, and little foldout feet, too, so it can stand on its own if you must let go to do something with your hands.

    Like any handheld stabilizer, the FlowPod in stabilizer mode tires out the arm quickly. The lighter the camera you use, the better off you’ll be…but if too light (an HC-1, for example), you’ll need to add weight to the camera end of the stick.

    My colleagues who’ve used the DV Rig Pro like it very much. They tell me that moving shots aren’t as smooth as with a true stabilizer, but smoother than handheld, and that stationary shots are almost as steady as a monopod.

    You’re right that there’s no single support system that will “do it all”. The tripod is about as close as human ingenuity has come so far.

    Regards,
    Doug Graham

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    December 10, 2006 at 5:23 am

    What camera do you plan to use it with, this may help with answering your question?

  • Reg Gothard

    December 10, 2006 at 10:15 pm

    Not sure if this question is posed for me, Neil or both of us. But anyway – I’m using VX2000’s at present. The events that I shoot that might need mobile footage include weddings (indoor and outdoor), equestrian events, and the odd documentary.

  • Neil Jay

    December 11, 2006 at 7:56 pm

    I would use my sony FX1.

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    December 12, 2006 at 4:40 am

    I got one of these for my FX1 and love it, but alot of it is going to be a personal choice, get what fits your shooting style better.

    (oh the front handel comes off, who would want a handel coming out of it like that I dont know)

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Search&A=details&Q=&sku=98760&is=REG&addedTroughType=search

  • Michael Liebergot

    December 15, 2006 at 3:48 am

    I ahve used and swore by my DVRig Pro. As Doug said earlier, it’s not a steady cam but you can get smoth shots with it, and you can get extremely steady shots (not as steady as a tripod, but more steady than a monopod).
    The main advantage if the DVRig over a monopod is the ability to reframe your shots at a moments notice as well as either go low profile to overhead without a blip.
    Oh and best of all you can mount the rig on a tripod or shoot handheld fatigue free all day long.

    However, afetr saying this, I would suggest that you take a serious look at the new DvMulti Rig also from DVTec (makers of the DVRig Pro).
    The shooting configurations of this thing are endless, low profile, fig rig style, DVRig Pro style, tripod shooting, fig rig handheld with support pod, and more. All of this again is effortless and fatigue free.

    You can even keep it attached to the bottom of you camera and fold it up to be placed in your camera bag.
    Lets see any support device do this.

    Tkae a look at it here:
    https://www.dvmultirig.com/

    Currently you can only order from the DVTEc site as the product is new and only available when ordering from their website.

  • Neil Jay

    December 15, 2006 at 6:19 pm

    Thanks. So you recommend it over the dv rig pro? Do you have to buy it direct from Israel or do they have any distributors?
    Neil

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