splashtop and iPad with fcpx

[Marvin Holdman]

Wow.

Sorry, thought I was talking to a petulant youngster. Looks like you’ve turned out to be one of us “grumpy old farts”.

Imagine that…

Pot, meet kettle.

Apparently your point is a bit lost in the subterfuge. You’re saying you’re actually USING this crapware for anything beyond your home videos? (or even that?)

Oh yeah… it’s GOING to be great if only we had vision. And the API’s will be out before the summer is over and they’ll be a rush of third party vendors to restore functionality, and all the bugs will be fixed quickly, and the check really IS in the mail, right?

Since you’re lighting into someone who started off by simply disagreeing with you, why don’t you take a minute and make a point, rather than continuing the “old fart grumpiness”?

Just saying.

Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
skype username – vidmarv

[Chris Harlan]

[Gary Hazen] “How would the hipster handle color grading on an iPad ?”

Bleach Bypass filter on everything. All the time. No exceptions.

[Kim Krause]

i wasn’t talking initially about grading on the iPad…just using it as a remote control for the software…thats what splash top does. but one thing led to another on this discussion and i realized that in the not too distant future i could be sitting at home in front of my 80″ ultra hd display using an iPad to grade clips that are stored on the cloud..the iPad would be a remote link to the master software that resides on a server so you would just have to log on. the video for the job would also not have to be at the office but stored somewhere else making the idea of a truly desktop and office free environment a reality. somehow it turned into a insult hurling match because i think certain “older” people are threatened by this new way to work. i was just following a train of thought and must have opened some wounds because i couldn’t believe the reaction i got from this thread.

[Kim Krause]

i had no idea so many people feel so threatened by my ramblings….judging by the reactions this thread has received there must be a lot of insecure people out there who are either afraid of change or are so close minded they can’t imagine a time in the future where we would all be working differently. my original post was about how amazing it is using splash top to remotely control their main machine and its software. i logically thought that this is going to open up the possibility of new ways of working, and i still believe that in the not too distant future i will be sitting in my lounge with my iPod 6 controlling my color application (davinci 10.5 perhaps?) from a server (cloud!) which holds all the clips being streamed to my ultra hd calibrated 80 inch panel. i really can see this coming and so i concluded that when this happens we will no longer need big tower machines and fancy edit suites and a paradigm shift will once again occur in our industry. instead i got dragged across the floor by people telling me to get my head out the clouds (funny there is that cloud thingy again) and get back to reality. so i am sorry i ever tried to make people look at alternative ways of working and to all those “old farts” out there who don’t like change (the same ones that aren’t even willing to give fcpx a chance and instead cross grade to avid because it feels closer to the old way of working) i just have to say good luck…the new young guns are on your coat tails and are gonna leave you in the dust so you better be ready!

[Chris Harlan]

I was just making a cheep joke. I get the iPad thing. I use it as a controller for the likes of FCS, Logic, and Omnisphere. I don’t quite share your total cloud vision–a bit Utopian from what I see day to day–but that doesn’t mean I can’t envision editing proxy files on the go. I’d kinda like that. As to the food fight you guys are all having, I don’t really want to be part of it. Mom dressed me in clean clothes today and made me promise to stay that way.

[Andreas Kiel]

Dear Kim,

I’ve read the thread roughly.

I do understand and agree that things are changing constantly and all of us have to be open minded.

What I didn’t understand was the way you typed in your replies.
All lower case, no breaks, wrong ellipses. Looks like an old fashioned Morse Code which is hard to read by normal humans.

As an editor you understand that within a story there are scenes, cuts, effects etc. With communication it’s the same.
If you write a story that way you communicate, the story won’t be a success.

On the other hand you can even go a step further with your way of writing and disregard spaces between words like it was done in ancient Hebrew. This will help to make people in a future world to make studies about what was meant with this text.

No offense, just a thought.

-Andreas

Spherico
https://www.spherico.com/filmtools

[Kim Krause]

thanks for the pointers but i just type as i’m thinking and often don’t take a moment to reread what I’ve typed….it’s not an english essay for shit sakes…..besides all my friends write in sms shorthand now and i can barely read their messages on the phone so at least i use real words `( most of the time`)…..ramblings of a mad man i guess….but i do like stirring the pot to the point of boiling…sometimes just to get people thinking even if its thinking about what an ass i can be..who cares as long as their minds are functioning!

[Marvin Holdman]

Funny thing about youngsters and coattails…

Let’s talk about one specific example of how an “old fart” embraces the “new way of thinking”. I’ve been watching DSLR video for a couple of years now. Fantastic stuff it is, but what a pain to shoot with that form factor. Have said for a number of years that it’s simply an impractical media for any real work. By that, I mean work at the volume and speed that is necessary to sustain an income. A couple of weeks ago, we finally acquired a Sony F3. Correct form factor for the job and the same technology that makes DSLR video an advantage (large single sensor). Did I dismiss the practicality of this “new technology” (DSLR video)? Yes, for our business. Did I completely ignore it? No, we migrated to it once the “youngsters” showed enough interest that the equipment vendors developed a feasible product.

Much the same with this whole FCPX. I have downloaded it, used it briefly and determined that it is not practical for our workflow. Does it have promise? Sure. But we’re not going to spend our valuable time “embracing” this new product, or for that matter “imagining” what it might be. If you have time for that, great, go for it. But understand that a great many folks here are making a living at this. When you you hear someone say, “I don’t have time to imagine how great it could be”, you need to understand that comment is NOT directed to you.

Re-reading all your post, it would seem that you perceive every comment as directed at you. Trust me, it’s not. It’s about whether/when/if this software will ever become a viable product. At this point, I see just as much “promise” in several other NLE packages, ALL with the ability to sustain a business. FCPX? Not so much.

So….

Aside from what “might be”, what is your opinion of what “is” currently? More to the point, why should we spend any more than a quick day of play with this software now? Today, at this point? What do I gain by having an in depth knowledge of what the novice/prosumer/casual user has on their computer?

Is THIS your point;

“Current working Professionals should devote a significant portion of their focus to an in depth study of the implications and usage of FCPX in order to understand where the youngsters are heading with this.”

Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
skype username – vidmarv

[Kim Krause]

first of all i never said to anyone “abandon you old ways” all i’m implying is that very soon there will be viable new ways to work and we all have to open to the idea that it will involve a change in mindset. FCPX is one the things that is challenging us to think about what we do. using an iPad as a tool is another. remember when the first version of final cut was in its infancy. no one wanted to abandon avid right away but over time it proved itself to be a viable option. i’m absolutely certain that within the next 2 generations of iPad we will be doing what we used to do on our macbook pros just 2 years ago. if you look at how tech evolves, anyone can see that the new way of working won’t be from an edit suite with a huge tower and a bunch of hard drives cloud storage is the new hard disk and iPads will be the new interface, replacing mouse and keyboard and maybe evn one of your main monitors. remember that my original rant here was how cool it is being able to control an external machine from an iPad using splash top…how it devolved into all this bitchiness blows me away. i must have hit a raw nerve with some very insecure individuals who feel their livelihood is under attack. well guess what? it probably will be very soon so just be open minded enough to accept the change and embrace the new technology thats coming. forget about your old way of working and get ready to discard that old edit suite…..there is absolutely nothing wrong with the current version of final cut studio but too many people feel that apple is letting them down and are looking for something that is the same as what they already have…..this makes no sense to me…why leave something that works for something exactly the same. FCPX may not be ready for the big boys yet but i really believe its time to start thinking of new ways to work and not just looking for a replacement for something that doesn’t really do anything different than what is already available. the technology that allows iMovie on an iPad to work didn’t even exist a few years ago and now it does what a state of the art laptop did just 6 years ago……why am i the only one who can see this….

[Jeremy Garchow]

[kim krause] “why am i the only one who can see this….”

I don’t think you are, but this is the debate forum, after all.

I am all for working differently and changing. I went out on a limb and wrote an article about what I actually like about FCPX: https://library.creativecow.net/garchow_jeremy/FCPX-Ask/1

I also provided a goofy example of a program that is editing in the cloud, today. I don’t think you are that far off in your thinking about the cloud, Kim. Bandwidth is the only limitation and that will be a giant hurdle to leap, but it’s already happening.

What I have a problem with is everyone (not just you) taking it personal. It’s tiring and unnecessary. It has nothing to do with political correctness or censure of speech. You can say what you want, I believe in that. Personally, I don’t think that making fun of the sick and diseased (from the other thread) is a very intelligent discourse, but maybe that is just me. In my thinking, age has nothing to do with this, comfort level maybe, but not age.

Jeremy