Sorenson Squeeze 5 Settings for Vimeo – help!

[Daniel Low]

Nothing wrong with your settings. I don’t use the Windows version but in the Mac version I have a choice of Video CODEC, you too should have a choice of MainConcept or Sorenson AVC. Try the Sorenson CODEC if that doesn’t work there’s something amiss with either the Squeeze installation or something deeper in Vista.

You could try installing Squeeze on another machine

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[Ian Smith]

Thanks for the response Daniel.

Indeed I have several possible settings “Sorenson MPeg 4 Pro”, “Sorenson H.264”, “Apple H.264” and “MainConcept H.264”.

Sorenson’s tutorial strongly advised using the MainConcept H.264 as it was more efficient giving smaller sizes and better video.

I will try the “Sorenson H.264” setting next, but don’t have high hopes.

I’m very disappointed with this program given its price. The initial install wouldn’t allow the “Squeeze It” button to be pressed when following the sample in the user guide and I had to chase Sorenson support.

Sorenson’s Support instructions for uninstalling the program forgot basic stuff like deactivating the software before un-installing it (luckily I was paying attention), the fact that Vista has different options than XP, and gave instructions to remove registry entries and folder contents that just weren’t there. It hasn’t inspired any confidence.

Beginning to wish I’d just paid for an upgrade to Microsoft Expression Encoder 2 instead 🙁

[Daniel Low]

I don’t think you’ll see too much quality difference between Mainconcept and Sorenson H.264 seeing as your video is just going to be re-compressed when uploaded to Vimeo anyway.

Many developers have been struggling with the train wreck of Vista, don’t blame Sorenson for that.

Expression Encoder, while a nice package, only offers Windows Media output, as such, it’s a one trick pony that can’t be compared to the likes of Squeeze or Procoder.

Many recommend Squeeze based on its price and apparent ease of use, however far too many report problems with it and the license restrictions are are plain stupid.

Please let us know how you got on.

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[Ian Smith]

While I’d agree that Vista has its problems I really don’t see it as being the culprit here.

Sony Vegas Pro 8.0 running under Vista happily renders out video in many different formats (albeit at too large a size for me to upload to Vimeo) and the rendered output from it can be loaded and previewed in Sorenson Squeeze 5 with no problems. It’s only when Sorenson steps into the frame and applies its compression that things start falling apart.

I’ve used Expression Encoder very little but couldn’t help noticing that the main Encoder guru (gave the best talks at MIX08 on Encoder) seems to be Ben Waggoner – who wrote the only book I’ve seen available on Sorenson Squeeze, so I’m guessing he took the best of what he knew about Squeeze to make sure that Encoder could do similar stuff.

I’ve raised an issue with Sorenson Support and will update this thread if we get anywhere with this particular “vanishing video” issue.

Cheers,
Ian

[Daniel Low]

I assume that choosing another H.264 CODEC didn’t work?

p.s. IIRC Ben did a training DVD on Squeeze 4.5, he didn’t write a book on it.

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[Ian Smith]

The Sorenson H.264 codec had pretty much the same results as the MainConcept H.264 one. I tried a single pass instead of a multi-pass with the Sorenson H.264 codec but again got a squeeze run that reduced a 1GB mp4 source to about 28MB mp4 and took about 3 hours. The resulting mp4 file has no video when played using QuickTime Player 7.5 (861)

[Doug Hathaway]

I dont have it all figured out yet, but I thought Id muddy the waters with a few free apps that may be of some help. I have been using HDVSplit to capture HDV from my HV30. From there I convert the m2t file into mpg using MPEGStreamClip. You can deinterlace the file and set your output size to 720p when converting. I must say, that when the file is converted to mpg it is perfect…however what I have not figured out is how best to prep for Vimeo. When I upload the file still appears to be interlaced even though I deinterlaced it with MPEGStreamClip.

There are some forums on Vimeo that may be helpful, but when I tried them I got worse results than when I did the above.

So, who knows…maybe one of these apps will do something for you. Both are pretty fast so you wont waste too much time if it doesnt pan out. If you figure something out, please let me know!

Doug

[Ian Smith]

If anybody has successfully installed Sorenson Squeeze under Vista and used ANY of their Web/Download/MPEG4 filters can they let me know?

Spending almost as much money on compression software as my NLE was a big step for me, and maybe I’m being naive but so far the results make me wonder if I should be contacting my credit card company about goods not being fit for purpose.

Sorenson Support have been in touch but turnaround time is less than impressive and just seems to result in what I (maybe unfairly?) regard as incorrect, time-wasting instructions that just increase the risk of breaking other software I’m reliant on that works fine.

The original Sorenson Squeeze 5 install wouldn’t perform even the basic steps shown in the tutorial and I was sent “manual” uninstall instructions that only apply to XP that claim they’re for Vista and which omit the rather crucial “de-register your license before doing this” step (it’s OK I spotted this one in time). I downloaded and installed a new version of Squeeze 5 that fixed my ability to render out compressed wmv footage but now H.264 of any form seems a no-no and I’m being asked to install 3rd party software for viewing video when it’s clear from the resultant file size that it’s not QuickTime viewer that’s the problem etc etc

Maybe I’m naive but I expected software designed solely for the job of compression to just do what it says on the can, not have me jumping through support hoops every time I try and render something out (I think this is the point where someone says it’s all my fault for running under Vista – but if Sony Vegas Pro can cope just fine, so should Sorenson Squeeze :-P)

Just looking for some sign that I’ve not effectively paid to be a beta tester for this product running under Vista.

Thanks,
Ian

[Ian Smith]

Thanks Doug!

Having paid for Sorenson Squeeze I’m still holding out that their support will sort out the mess that is H.264 rendering on my Vista set-up (this is nothing to do with Vimeo – as Squeeze just appears to be throwing away the video before I even try and upload it to Vimeo) so that I can then try that with Vimeo.

Adding even more options into the equation that I’m trying to nail down isn’t something I want to try just yet, but may be something I have to resort to if I’m still here a couple of months down the road.

Vimeo HD is a minefield and failed uploads seems to be a constantly changing game. The guidelines are too basic and non-software specific. Even though my wmv files are meeting their “compression guidelines” and play fine locally any rendered to 1280×720 size seem to “fail” after hours (days!) of being stuck in their workflow loop.

Unfortunately I’m trying to upload user group videos that are typically sessions running an hour in length and render out from Vegas Pro as 2GB files. Having endless “Talk n Part n” videos just to avoid additional compression and the Vimeo limits is something I want to avoid. Given that Vimeo is in a constant state of flux, with no real specifics for the software I’m using to go by, and seemingly so many problems with different formats being reported on their forums I think I’m going to try one or two other hosting services to see if they avoid similar problems. Viddler has been a complete no-no as all their upload mechanisms just seem to lockout before even 10% of video upload is completed. I hear TheExposureRoom allow embedding of HD video (which Vimeo don’t) and have faster turnaround times so am going to try them with my next video, sticking to wmv until Squeeze either offer me a refund on their software or determine why their software loses the video whenever an H.264 codec from their “MPEG4 download filters” list is chosen.

As soon as I’ve come up with a solution that works for me I’ll post something here, but I’ve a feeling it might be a long wait 🙁

[Daniel Low]

Ian,

I think to real nail down what the issue is here, and my thoughts are that it’s some low level conflict with possibly Vegas or other codec conflict, is too try and install Squeeze on another PC with Vista if you can get access to one.

Obviously if it produces H.264 content with video then there’s an issue with your Vista/Vegas PC and that I’m afraid is something that Sorenson support probably can’t fix.

If it doesn’t work on the alternative PC then it’s pretty certain that Squeeze-H.264 and Vista don’t mix well but that’s very unlikely

One last thing, you haven’t installed any of those ‘Mega-CODEC-Packs’ have you?

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