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Some Mathmatics on P2 Cards
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It’s a FX1/Z1 camera, without the lens, in a different “box”. It’s a not really a “deck” mechanism, hence it only takes small tapes. The cababilities of the deck are that of the camera. Seriously, I’d just buy a second camera rather than that “deck”.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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P2 cards are not regular SD cards. Regular SD cards are not fast enough. P2 cards are specially made RAIDS of SD cards, and are more expensive to manufacture.
Also, remeber that Panavision doesn’t “own” P2 technology. Any third party company will be able to make P2 memory cards. So, there’s no way Panavision would be able to get away with some outregeous markup.
jeremiah black
dual 2 gig G5
2.5 gigs of RAM
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I think the P2 vs HDV thing is already starting to get a bit tedious. Lots and lots of uniformed comments from people who have used neither system.
As far as the 200 goes it’s all theory isn’t it? The camera doesn’t exist yet, you can’t say what the picture quality is going to be like until there are actually pictures to look at.
P2 fits a market sector, HDV fits another with some crossover in the middle. You use what format is best for the job!
Steve Connor
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Yep,
RAIDing sd cards need that one RAID chip inside the card.
It can’t be very expensive if you compare to RAID chips that pc motherboards have. -
Well, let’s do a test. Why don’t you build your own P2 cards when the camera comes out and then post the results of what it costs you?
jeremiah black
dual 2 gig G5
2.5 gigs of RAM
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[Graeme Nattress] “You don’t use P2 like tape, you don’t think of P2 as tape, and you’ve just got to get rid of the tape mentality, just as digital photographers have ditched film.”
Agree. But 2 things – the initial investment alone to get a P2 workflow going is high. From dubs, client copies, archiving, media sharing, etc needs to be adjusted and more equipment are likely needed to be purchased [drives, P2 readers, etc].
To think deck is totally eliminated is also foolish. What are going to do to sent out VHS copies of your P2 cards for clients and producers? Tie up a G5 with a Decklink?
Shooting now requires a laptop and likely a seperate operator.Things like these brings us to point number 2 – workflow will change and change usually means more cost.
P2 will get cheaper and in the long run, cost is not as big one might think. However, the *initial* cost to P2 is stagerring!
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“To think deck is totally eliminated is also foolish. What are going to do to sent out VHS copies of your P2 cards for clients and producers? Tie up a G5 with a Decklink?”
Nobody said decks were alltogether eliminated. What’s been proposed is that you don’t have to buy a deck or rent one everytime you have to ingest footage. You can just rent one for one day to output the final version, or take your hard drives to a house that outputs.
“Shooting now requires a laptop and likely a seperate operator.”
Shooting does not require a laptop. It’d be nice to have one, but it’s certinly not needed. And, anyway, I shoot with a laptop on set now, as do many people.
“P2 will get cheaper and in the long run, cost is not as big one might think. However, the *initial* cost to P2 is stagerring!”
It is far from staggering. Buy a camera and two P2 cards for $10,000- that’s 1/6 the price of a varicam. Plus no HD tape needed and no HD deck to buy. You’re basically getting a mini varicam for $10,000 and that doesn’t require a deck to ingest footage, with the only catch being that you have to dump your footage to a hard drive on set as you shoot. Some people, like myself, will find this deal very attractive and easy. Others won’t. Buy what you like.
jeremiah black
dual 2 gig G5
2.5 gigs of RAM
Decklink Extreme capture card -
It’s not staggering when you think of the flexibility it gives you. As for client VHS, can you not send them a DVD? Or why not plug the camera into your computer over firewire and go component or s-video or composite out?
https://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1785630,00.asp
Should sort out any backup issues next year, which is not too long after this camera will be available. Remember – they have to put the cart before the horse so that people can develop stuff for the camera. You can’t expect people to make a hard drive recording system for a camera that does not exist. As soon as Panasonic get the camera out there will be lots of people with workflow solutions for all kinds of video shooters.
All the pieces of the puzzle are not quite there yet. But they will be. You’ve just got to look beyond and see that now the computer industry is very, very linked to the video industry, and computer products drop in price quicker and are cheaper than video products. This is a good thing.
And if the workflow isn’t there for you when the camera is realeased – no matter – it just gives you a bit longer to save up for it, and by the time the workflow for your need is there, the P2 cards will be a lot cheaper too.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects for FCP
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Thanks for the encouragement, Jesse, but if I had that initial investment of $12M, I’d much rather produce a movie.
I’d say that even the major memorycard manufacturers (like Kingston, Sandisk, etc.) will think twice before they make such an investment to “standard” that has practically no mass market now.
I bet that it’s going to be 2007 before we see any other 3rd party vendors than those companies that make p2 cameras. If p2 gets popular… -
The AJ-SPX800 has been out for what a year now, using P2. The network tv stations are opening up to this technology pretty good so far. Even more so now that this new generation is SD-HD switchable. See PR- Panny Press releases With these users it is the speed of production more than anything driving the acceptance of the cameras and this is an area where cost is not such a factor. Getting the story to press is the important thing. This could be a flash in the pan technology but given panasonics commitment and the industry acceptance so far and the success of the conpact flash I think it will stick. If someone invents smaller faster cheaper memory there will be adapters. I had a Kodak/Nikon DCS420 that used the big PCMCIA ATA type cards and I was able to buy an adapter for the smaller faster cheaper and much higher capacity compact flash when it came out. They fit right inside the PCMCIA ATA type card adapters. These PCMCIA ATA type cards were used in laptops and other aplications too and the adapters are still readily available. Perhaps the P2 cards will find their way into other applications where speed is important. Maybe they will replace the ipod or be used in laptops in place of hard drives. This is solid state storage which is much safer than hard drives.
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