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Soccer. ..F*** No. Why not many in N.A. give much of a sh**
David Cherniack replied 11 years, 10 months ago 28 Members · 61 Replies
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Tom Sefton
June 13, 2014 at 10:30 pmYeah that’s not anywhere near what the offside rule is about. It’s actual use is to make the game faster. Without it, strikers could literally goal hang and stand around in front of the oppositions goalkeeper waiting for the ball to come their way. This would force the defenders to sit deeper and make the game even slower. A defence rushing out to catch players offside makes players move around more and ensures that more skill is required for the final pass.
The only way it applies is for forward passes. Not sideways, or backwards or shots on goal. A fast striker that runs through on goal doesn’t need to wait for anyone to catch up!
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Andrew Kimery
June 13, 2014 at 11:57 pm[Tom Sefton] “This would force the defenders to sit deeper and make the game even slower. A defence rushing out to catch players offside makes players move around more and ensures that more skill is required for the final pass.”
Plus, if the offsides rule didn’t exist then you would never see fullbacks on over lapping runs which can provide some of the most dynamic and aggressive moments on the field.
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Alex Hawkins
June 14, 2014 at 12:58 am[Lance Bachelder] “I think for American’s, we’re used to seeing breakout plays where such as interceptions run back for touchdowns, stolen balls leading to slam dunks etc. None of this exists in soccer due to the ancient offside rule. I know, it’s tradition, but it’s really dumb.”
[Lance Bachelder] “The other insanely lame soccer rule is substitutions. Why can’t players come and go as needed like every other sport? Limiting the amount of subs makes no sense. “
sigh…These 2 comments alone are usually what makes NA’s ignorant about football. Sorry to pick on you Lance – it’s truly nothing personal – but if you (plural) don’t understand why these 2 things in and of themselves contribute crucially to make football the most interesting, tactical and exciting sport in the world then it is of no use to go on. Sorry.
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David Cherniack
June 14, 2014 at 2:30 amWell spoken, Fabrizio.
To summarize, and simplify, because it’s the American way, soccer is decadent and corrupt, because it’s true to life for most of the world, but Amercsn football is hopelessly optimistic because every play is designed to score, if executed perfectly, and Americans believe that the world can be perfected….just like (cough) FCPX…
So Americans (and by extension, FCPX acolytes), live in a world of naive, optimistic, delusion, while the rest of the world (and by extension other NLE users) are decadent but realistic. I think the difference is clear now.
David
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James Culbertson
June 14, 2014 at 3:27 am[David Cherniack] “I think the difference is clear now.”
Clear as mud.
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Fabrizio D’agnano
June 14, 2014 at 8:04 amDavid, it’s not always easy to read and write in a language different from yours, so I can’t catch if there’s irony in the last part of your post. Just to make it clear, I never wrote or implied that Americans are naive, nor that Europeans and latins love corrupted ways. I am not that dumb. Since some were asking, I was just trying to explain why we, in Italy, and many other people in other parts of the world, accept a sport where athletes are taught how to fake a foul or pull a dive by their coach since they’re in the junior series, where referee blow wrong calls and maybe not for real mistakes, where important teams get more “respect” when it’s down to assign a penalty or not, even if we don’t like it. Unless, of course, it’s in favor of our team. And once the game is over, the debate over the referee call that decided last match can go on on on dedicated radios or tv channels or newspapers for one week, until the next game. By the way, a lot of people are invoking the instant replay to be applied on soccer, but the keepers of the game prefer to keep things this way.
Fabrizio D’Agnano
Rome, Italy
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David Cherniack
June 14, 2014 at 8:24 amDon’t worry, Fabrizio. My post was all irony except for the point about your post being well said. That was completely sincere.
I do really think however that North American sports fans are now so used to video review of contentious calls that it will hinder soccer’s acceptance here on the same level as the other pro sports. There are just far too many blown calls that effect the outcome of matches. Brazil Croatia being the most recent. While the MLS has made some inroads, the league doesn’t publish demographics of its season ticket holders, and I suspect the large majority are first generation immigrants with some second generation who absorbed the love of the game at the dinner table.
Baseball has finally implemented video review of some referee calls, forced by what fans now expect from other sports. If baseball can change surely soccer…well maybe…. but FIFA is as bad or worse than the IOC.
David
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Lance Bachelder
June 14, 2014 at 9:42 amYou adjust answered why us ignorant folk will never fully get into soccer – tradition. Everyone’s afraid of a 12 to 9 score but for us lowly American’s this would be great.
Thankfully every other major sport played in the US gets looked at by committee and changes happen over time to make them better for the fans and participants. No one here wants to see a 0-0 game, even hockey fixed that. It’s about wins and losses – not points.
As far as the 150+ year old excuse about strikers hanging out by the goal – just keep them out of the penalty box – voila!
Lance Bachelder
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Downtown Long Beach, California
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Michael Hadley
June 14, 2014 at 1:43 pmVideo review is anathema to sport. Sports are about what the human body and mind can do; not technology. Bad calls are part of the game. They are imperfect. It can be frustrating but that’s what makes it exciting, too.
One of the reasons I love soccer is that is so elemental and fundamental. No commercials, time outs, headphones, play cards strapped on to wrists. Did I mention no commercials?
If you want to get up and get a bag of Doritos in the kitchen every 10 minutes, don’t watch soccer. You’ll have to wait at least 45 minutes (plus stoppage time).
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David Cherniack
June 14, 2014 at 2:04 pm[Michael Hadley] ” Sports are about what the human body and mind can do; not technology.”
There is a logical flaw in this statement. The two things are unrelated as defined by the context of the discussion.
[Michael Hadley] ” Bad calls are part of the game. They are imperfect. It can be frustrating but that’s what makes it exciting, too.”
I understand the frustration part but exciting?. Exciting to see finely tuned athletes giving their all only to be screwed by a bad call? Perhaps the soccer players should be polled to see whether they prefer it that way. I don’t think tradition-loving knobs in the stand should have much say in it.
[Michael Hadley] “One of the reasons I love soccer is that is so elemental and fundamental. No commercials, time outs, headphones, play cards strapped on to wrists. Did I mention no commercials?”
It depends on how you prefer to relieve your boredom 🙂 The argument that soccer is full of strategy is nonsense. It’s about 90% execution, 5% strategy, and 5% trying to get flops by the refs…ohh, I guess that last falls under execution.
[Michael Hadley] “If you want to get up and get a bag of Doritos in the kitchen every 10 minutes, don’t watch soccer. You’ll have to wait at least 45 minutes (plus stoppage time).”
You can always keep the bag by your side and flip over to Master Chef during the more boring moments of the game to keep the saliva flowing.
David
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