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So where are we in the game?
As much fun as the Larry Jordan thread is, I was wondering what people thought the state of the game was after Adobe fumbled the ball with the CC release.
Do people think that Apple now have a chance of picking up the loose ball and running with it, if they put out a great 10.1 release?
It does seem like the game may be far from over.
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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Adobe has showed it’s hand for the year, with 2 big updates and a change in pricing structure.
While apple has released 3 largely maintenance updates, they haven’t released any feature updates since last October. Until Apple releases 10.1 it’s going to be a naturally lopsided comparison.
I think there is definitely a segment of people who were very likely going to move from FCP to PP but just will not buy into the subscription model. That may give FCPX an opportunity if 10.1 is a large and meaningful update. But FCPX will always have the stigma of being “different” (unless Apple reverses course on FCPX’s core concepts which I don’t think it will- and I don’t want them to).
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Apple needs to bring in some serious enhancements to relinking and media management, for me to dare use it again on a paying job.
I lost trust in it when all my media became offline, because of some minor meta-data added by Adobe, and I was not able to relink. When I reimported from the cards, everything was out of sync.
– No Parking Production –
2 x Finalcut Studio3, 2 x Prod. bundle CS6, 2 x MacPro, 2 x ioHD, Ethernet File Server w. X-Raid…. and FCPX on trial
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So you know that Adobe’s XMP ID overwrites all FCPX metadata making the media incompatible for re-importing, and yet you don’t uncheck this option in PP or AE and then you blame FCPX for not being able to re-import media that you have screwed up with XMP ID? Okay…
– Ronny
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This is an option that should be “off” by default if it modifies data in the file
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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Lesson was learnt. Yet I do blame FCPX for not giving me the option to force relink, like FCP7 used to do.
– No Parking Production –
2 x Finalcut Studio3, 2 x Prod. bundle CS6, 2 x MacPro, 2 x ioHD, Ethernet File Server w. X-Raid…. and FCPX on trial
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[Steve Connor] “This is an option that should be “off” by default if it modifies data in the file”
I agree wholeheartedly! Silently altering original files was not a great idea.
The default behavior will change to “off” with the October 2013 CC update:
https://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2013/09/after-effects-cc-12-1-whats-new-and-changed.html
(This blog entry is about Ae, but that setting has historically been shared across Ae, Pr, En, Au, and AME.)
Walter Soyka
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What do you mean? No option to force relink? You can relink files in FCPX. For example when I have stockclips or stockmusic with watermarks I always simply force FCPX to relink the files to the final media.
About the original idea of this thread: I think the game is still open. FCPX has regained a lot of ground when you compar its perception from a year ago. At the same time they are still fighting with the terrible launch of the product. I STILL get calls and mails from people who ask me about rumours they heard in summer 2011!! Many of those were even untrue (like you can´t have more than 1 stereotrack on export or that there is no J-K-L in FCPX) and seem still to be around. So Apple is not there yet.
At the same time Adobe Premiere seems not to be thatmuch of a killer-app itself, since so many who like tracks are still on FCP7.
I would expect the new Mac Pro bundled with FCPX 10.1 will be a different beast altogether and might win over many productionhouses again with its sheer power and speed in hardware and workflow.
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[alban egger] “What do you mean? No option to force relink? You can relink files in FCPX. For example when I have stockclips or stockmusic with watermarks I always simply force FCPX to relink the files to the final media. “
You can only relink when media parameters are exactly the same. Same TC, file names, duration. FCP X relinking is virtually non-existant when you compare how relinking works in X to Premiere Pro CC or even FCP “legacy”. There is no “force” function at all. It either relinks and it works or more often than not – it doesn’t. At least that’s been my experience.
– Oliver
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It’s true. There’s no force-relinking of media that’s shorter, or using a different name, etc.
It should be a pretty each change to institute, though I wonder if it would reek havoc with the database when doing this with non-“import to Event folder” files.
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The really big negative for me with FCPX re-linking is its inability to search in anything but the root folder where the actual file lives – manually drilling down 3 levels to get to a file sucks.
On the other hand Premiere CC re-linking is awesome, fast and it will drill down into however many subfolders necessary until it finds the correct file.
I’m hoping for a pretty substantial upgrade to X – I haven’t used it on a paying gig since CC was released in June and I’m loving cutting in Premiere. The new features coming in October are gonna make the suite that much better. Apple has their work cut for them for sure.
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