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So, about that Apple event….
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[Tim Wilson] “Do I just need a blankie and a nap? Well, yes, but I’d love to get your impressions of this….thing. What the heck is happening?”
Simple. Steve Jobs is not alive anymore.
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[Michael Gissing] “So angry Robin.”
LOL… you interpretation of the (obviously!) “angry“, nay, furious emoticon in my post, that you were even clever enough to leave in the quote, is truly brilliant. 😀 (<— look, I’m crying!)
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[Dominic Deacon] “… if there was a point to it.”
*double-take* I’m sorry?
[Dominic Deacon] “… it’s now taking up the charging socket. I fall asleep every night with the phone charging and headphones in my ears.”
That being your point, but oh well. And never mind that I said “one of many”. There are endless other ones out there that are cheaper.
[Dominic Deacon] “It’s direct competitor the Samsung 7 has an IP68 rating.”
Dare I ask if you know what that actually means? IP67 means (in terms of liquids) “Immersion up to 1m”. IP68 stands for “Immersion beyond 1m”. Sounds great, huh? Because when I see IP68 I actually think “up to 10m, maybe even 50m“, which, at least from my personal experience, is about average for equipment that the manufacturer actually went to the trouble of getting whatever it is IP68 rated.
What does Samsung in fact say? “… they’re water resistant to a maximum depth of 1.5m” Wow. A full 50cm more. Okay. I guess you got me there.
Apple doesn’t have a time limit on that immersion depth by the way. Samsung does, FWIW.
[Dominic Deacon] “No idea. Don’t use ’em. I’m not here to fly the flag for Samsung.”
Then I think you need to note when any and all of your questions are purely rhetorical. There’s always Google, too.
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[Bill Davis] “Just to be clear, I doubt that there’s a “more waterproof metric” out there – since that’s kinda oxymoronic.
“There actually IS a metric, and people have been talking about it in the posts above yours.
I know that not everyone here is nerdistically inclined, so I’ll provide some background. The metric is called Ingress Protection Marking*, published by the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC).
*Ironically for a standard, the name isn’t exactly standard. Some folks refer to it as International Protection Marking. Either way, the rating is listed in the unit “IP.”
In various contexts, it might represent the extent to which fingers could fit in electrical sockets (ie, such and such a device is probably fine unless you TRY to stick your finger in it, vs. you can’t stick your finger in it even if you try) , or dust make its way into an enclosure (rating for size of particles allowed, amount, etc), and a variety of other measures of things might tend to intrude where they shouldn’t when it comes to electric devices and interfaces.
In the case of water intrusion, the iPhone rates IP67, which is 3.3 feet for half an hour. Samsung phones are IP68, which is five feet for half an hour.
Big deal? No. Neither phone is rated for swimming. They’re so that if you drop it in a (hopefully clean) toilet, you won’t need to buy a new one. (Assuming again that the toilet was clean.)
But it is another, scientifically valid, Apple-published data point to illustrate Apple arriving with a feature 2 years late, and not only NOT set a new benchmark, but choose not to meet the current one.
My larger points are two-fold, that, a) YES, there IS a metric , it has a name, and Apple has chosen to fall short of parity, and b) this “showing up late AND short of the standard” is a NEW pattern for Apple. Well, new-ish.
I’ll acknowledge again that even though I ONLY use my phone with 3.5mm-attached headphones, I’m 100% onboard with getting rid of that jack. Progress happens. Connections go away. If this is what forward momentum looks like, carry on lads! Get rid of more stuff!
Howeverrrrrr…..let’s say that every industry using a 3.5mm jack drops it and flocks to this new thing: recent history makes me wonder if Apple will even bother to keep up with the standard as it evolves. See: Thunderbolt 3.
Anyway, the International Electrotechnical Commission is on the case, I assure you, documenting the extent to which you can stick your fingers in stuff, and how long your phone will survive in a toilet of specified depth.
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Sadly the livestream didn’t include the “one more thing” video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSnrLZxnbUc
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Hi Tim!
I was just having fun with the “waterproof” tag. That’s all.
All the ratings you note relating to water resistance and failure mode testing are fascinating. Since they all include the fact that at some point or pressure, the water wins – it appears that none of them seem to be “waterproof” in a common colloquial sense.
That the iPhone 7 coming soon is nearly as water proof as an Android was two years ago, seems to me to be about as interesting as the fact that Premiere Pro gained a robust Proxy workflow 5 years after X. To the editor working NOW – they each have a better experience. Win/win. And that’s the actual advancement.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Dare I ask if you know what that actually means? IP67 means (in terms of liquids) “Immersion up to 1m”. IP68 stands for “Immersion beyond 1m”. Sounds great, huh?”
You’re the one who invoked the IP ratings to start with and said to point out which competitor had a higher rating. I did. But to reiterate: I don’t care about waterproofing. I was just pointing out that Bill saying the jack needed to be removed for waterproofing was not true. Point made and not really debatable.
[Robin S. Kurz] “Then I think you need to note when any and all of your questions are purely rhetorical.”
No. Again, it was in response to Bill’s claim that Apple’s earbuds were new technology that would have revolutionary new applications. I don’t care about ear buds. I was just pointing out that these are just bluetooth headsets and it’s hard to see a new application that hasn’t been around for a long time.
[Robin S. Kurz] “[Dominic Deacon] “… if there was a point to it.”
*double-take* I’m sorry?
[Dominic Deacon] “… it’s now taking up the charging socket. I fall asleep every night with the phone charging and headphones in my ears.”
That being your point, but oh well. And never mind that I said “one of many”. There are endless other ones out there that are cheaper.”
This is getting very obtuse… When I said there’s no point to it I was referring to Apple removing the jack for no reason and forcing that sort of purchase on people.
And with that I’m very definitely out on this one.
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[Tim Wilson] “Howeverrrrrr…..let’s say that every industry using a 3.5mm jack drops it and flocks to this new thing: recent history makes me wonder if Apple will even bother to keep up with the standard as it evolves. See: Thunderbolt 3. “
In that vein… No one should be surprised that Apple wasn’t the first smartphone maker to remove the 3.5mm jack nor should anyone be surprised that the other phone makers went with the USB Type C port.
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Courage, Tim. Courage.
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[Chris Harlan] “Courage, Tim. Courage.
“The first wireless accessory is a wire: https://www.cnet.com/news/spigen-airpod-strap-is-a-10-leash-for-your-airpods/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=28660726
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