“Smart Rendering” in Premiere

[Jeremy Garchow]

While heartedly agree Bernhard.

I’ve been thinking the same thing.

Op-atom MXF is a “difficult” file structure, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be rewrapped to op1a later.

AVC-Intra is already cross platform, and plugs in to almost any NLE on the planet through a variety of methods.

Avid’s Nitris hardware also captures to AVC-I.

It also has a 50mb variant for certain broadcast workflows and archiving.

I’m a big fan, but we will have to see how it holds up in post.

ProRes’s multi-generational capabilities are pretty stellar. It will be interesting to see if this plays out.

Jeremy

[Walter Soyka]

[Jeremy Garchow] “I’m a big fan, but we will have to see how it holds up in post. “

I’m ready to be a big fan.

I just need alpha channels.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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[Jeremy Garchow]

[Walter Soyka] “I just need alpha channels.”

Matte and fill!!!!!

😉

[Walter Soyka]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Matte and fill!!!!! ;)”

Oh, man. Was I this harsh to you in the Editing Scenario/PIOP thread? 😉

Don’t make me use image sequences!

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Bernhard G.]

Somewhere I read that the team of the x264 project is working on implementing an option
to encode AVC-I. As far as I understood, the problem is the MXF container.

Perhaps AVC-I 200 and 400 could also be implemented in x264;
and adding an Alpha Channel couldn’nd be such a problem.
I think it’s not a question of technology, but how open AVC-I really is.

I definitely would prefer if there was a x264 implementation of AVC-I /200 /400.

x264 is open source, but could also be licensed commercially for a minimum fee.

I dream of a professional video future in which all professional NLEs are using x246’s AVC-I,
and not-over-expansed field recorders and cameras are available like ProRes-Tools are today.

Best regards,
Bernhard

[Jeremy Garchow]

QuickTime, for all of its huge and giant legacy faults, really solved a metric ton of problems.

In my heart of hearts, I know it’s time to move on. Hell, Apple even knows that.

I think AVC-I is a pretty decent solution, but the MXF container isn’t quite perfect.

I do think that an NLE company, such as Adobe, can make this work.

It’s obvious that Avid is keeping their MXF protocols kind of locked to their software. It makes sense.

Since Adobe isn’t tied to any of that, they are the ones that can truly bring MXF to the masses (in my opinion).

MXF capability is already deeply ingrained in the CS tools.

I guess I don’t know how this works. I doubt that Panasonic has any benefit in making an alpha for AVC-I, but if licensed, can Adobe implement alpha’s?

I dunno. More food for thought.

[Walter Soyka]

[Jeremy Garchow] “I guess I don’t know how this works. I doubt that Panasonic has any benefit in making an alpha for AVC-I, but if licensed, can Adobe implement alpha’s?”

I blathered a bit about the possibility of alpha support [link] last month.

I think that the support must be industry-wide — built in to the spec — for it to be useful. If I can’t count on another app or device correctly interpreting the alpha, I may as well deliver M&F.

You’re right that this is one of the things that’s really nice about QuickTime — the architecture is all already there, and both ProRes 4444 and DNxHD support alpha natively.

Personally, if we must build a new architecture anyway, I’d love to have OpenEXR-style multichannel support beyond simple alpha for transparency. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s very realistic to expect.

Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Gary Huff]

[Chris Harlan] “Wrong side of the bed today, Gary? Or is there some hidden offense in this fellow’s post that I cannot see?”

“but they were totally uninterested and even seemed to be attacking me for suggesting it was big deal.”

Seems to disparage the people who participated on the thread who in no way were doing such a thing.

[Jeremy Garchow]

Hey, Bernhard.

Curious as to why you think x264 would help here?

Adobe Media Encoder can encode to AVC-I already (which includes Pr and Pl).

The MXF container is also open source, but some of the parts of it like media libraries and such, aren’t quite open source. It’s kind of difficult to fully understand, I know I certainly don’t.

[Chris Harlan]

[Gary Huff] “Seems to disparage the people who participated on the thread who in no way were doing such a thing.
“

Ah. Got it.