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  • Charles House

    December 8, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    It is perfectly fine in other editing software, such as Premiere. Why do you feel it necessary to post in my threads if you feel this way? Just walk away like an adult. I don’t go out of my way to go places where people I don’t agree with or take a liking to gather.

  • Charles House

    December 8, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    I’m not sure how it’s condescending. It’s the truth. I’m making $125 off each video, and they’re several hours away, which generally takes about a tank of gas.

  • Charles House

    December 8, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    I spoke with the client and they said they’d take 24fps. The only setting as such in FCP is 24p (23.976). I still get an interlaced frame every so often and it’s making me crazy. Everything was shot in 24p and edited in the same setting in a 24fps timeline.

  • Alan Okey

    December 8, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Which 24p mode did you use on your camera? Panasonic cameras can record 24p standard or 24p Advanced. Both modes are recording 24p over 29.97 with pulldown, neither are native 24p. In order to edit in a 24p (23.98) sequence, you need to first remove the pulldown.

    The advantage of shooting in the 24p Advanced mode is that FCP can automatically remove Advanced pulldown when capturing over Firewire.

    For 24p standard, you would need to use Cinema tools to remove the pulldown manually by using the reverse telecine function.

    Either way, you need to first remove the pulldown from your footage prior to editing in a 24p sequence.

    As others have said, your camera cannot record native 24p Native. It can only record 24p with 3:2 pulldown on a 29.97 signal. The only cameras that can record true native 24p (no pulldown) are cameras that record to solid state memory cards.

  • Walter Soyka

    December 8, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    [Charles House] “I spoke with the client and they said they’d take 24fps. The only setting as such in FCP is 24p (23.976). I still get an interlaced frame every so often and it’s making me crazy. Everything was shot in 24p and edited in the same setting in a 24fps timeline.”

    Charles, Alan has again given you sound advice on how to proceed with the footage you’ve got. I’ll give you some advice on how to proceed on future shoots.

    If you’re going to work in 24p, always shoot 24pA on your DVX100 from now on — it’s got the simpler workflow, and you won’t have to worry about the interlaced dirty frames. Forget about 24pN entirely.

    Capture with the DV NTSC Advanced (2:3:3:2) Pulldown preset, which is DV at 29.97 fps with removal of advanced pulldown/duplicate frames enabled.

    Edit in a 23.98 fps sequence. Output to file at 23.98 fps, but to tape at 29.97 with pulldown.

    If you search the FCP help for “DVX100” or “advanced pull-down,” you’ll find a section of the manual which explains this step-by-step.

    Walter Soyka
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  • Jeremy Garchow

    December 8, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    They are taking advantage of you, Charles. That’s what I find condescending.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    December 8, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    You still haven’t read that link I sent out did you?

    It specifically explains how 24p works on your camera and subsequently any other SD camera. You have to take extra steps to extract 24p from the 29.97 signal that gets recorded to tape.

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