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seting up 24p advanced project
Posted by John on October 27, 2006 at 2:28 amHi I’m having trouble trying setting up a large project for 24p advanced. When I look at my audio/video settings the DV NTSC Advanced (2:3:3:2) pulldown sets the footage to 29.97 fps. I’ve been reading a lot about 24p this week and I don’t understand why my footage would come in as 29.97 when my timeline should be 23.98.
When i capture the footage this way I get an orange render bar on my timeline b/c of the different frame rates.
Can anyone explain this for me?
It’s my first 24p project.-John
P.S. It was shot with the XL2 in the 2:3:3:2 pulldown mode
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David Battistella
October 27, 2006 at 3:18 amWhy not use the easy setup for DV48K (advance pulldown removal). This will set FCP up correctly for 23.98 editing, with material that was captured with the correct frames removed.
David
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John
October 27, 2006 at 3:20 amI was getting mixed results with this and I needed to make the sequences anamorphic.
Are there any settings i need to change for playback or editing in FCP? -
David Battistella
October 27, 2006 at 3:31 amIN FCP,
ONe of the first things you need to check is that the sequence settings match the settings of the captured footage.
This happens to me all the time and EASY setups are the solution. I have projects in HD, SD, DV, DV50. Whenevery you swith projects you seed to go to the easy set ups as a first set to be sure that everything is matched up.
That is the very first step in FCP. ALways.
David
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John
October 27, 2006 at 3:51 amThanks for the post.
I understand about easy setups and that your footage needs to be the same as your sequence what i don’t understand is FCP wants to capture my 24p advanced footage at 29.97 fps. If you open up your audio/video settings (not the easy setup b/c it doesn’t show the frame rate) it shows that the captured frame rate will be 29.97 which confuses me. I know you’re supposed to edit 24p normal (2:3) like a regular DV sequence and it just gets a 24 look b/c of the pulldown, but from all the info I’ve been reading for the past week 24p advanced (2:3:3:2) is supposed to be edited on a 23.98 fps timeline.
What experience do you have with this?thanks
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David Battistella
October 27, 2006 at 11:50 amI shoot and edit everything 24PA. IN 29.97 projects I just capture regular DV ntsc. IN 23.98 projects I capture with advance pulldown removal.
The source you are capturing is actually 29.97 and the flagged frames need to be removed. Hence the preset (advance frame removal) The camera always records at 29.97 no matter what mode you are in, but it is laying down the cadence for 23.98 through falgged frames on a digital stream.. So FCP is removing the flagged frames frame a 29.97 source while it is capturing.
The captured clip should be showing 23.98. Be sure that the footage was shot in the 24P(a) advanced mode. If not you have to run it through cinema tools.
I have edited my past 2 films natively at 23.98 with the K2 card displaying in the film frame rates.
Hope this helps.
DavidPeace and Love 🙂
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David Battistella
October 27, 2006 at 12:32 pmJohn,
One more thing. I just re read your post and noticed it was shot on the XL2. This means that you did not actually shoot in advanced mode because the XL2 does not lay down the frames in that patern (like the DVX100 or 200 or any of the DVCPro camera’s can do.
This means you are officially in a 29.97 project with pull down. You should edit everything in this mode and then you can run the project through cinema tools and have cinema tools generate the 23.98 sequences or cut list. The only real reason to cut 23.98, is if there is a strong possibility the project will need a filmout.
I stopped shooting 24P and went to 24Pa to always give myself the flexibiliy of filmout. This probably explains why FCP can’t see the 23.98 frames, they were never recorded.
David
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Topicproman
November 1, 2006 at 8:47 pmThe XL2 does shoot in advanced mode. It doesn’t label it “advanced” like the other camera, but all it means is that it was shot with the 2:3:3:2 pattern.
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