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  • SD Short / Festival Wants a Blu Ray / Up Rez?

    Posted by Christian Clark on March 9, 2011 at 5:22 am

    Hello Experts,

    I’m not sure if this is the right section so please let me know if I should repost. I didn’t see a Blu Ray authoring section.

    I have a short film that was shot S16mm and transferred to DVCam (NTSC) . It’s been accepted at a couple of festivals that are asking for a Blu Ray for the screening. I’m familiar with authoring DVDs through DVDSP, but I’ve never dealt with Blu Ray. I understand a Blu Ray can play my SD project, but here are my questions:

    1 – What happens if I just put my SD project on a Blu Ray? Does the player up rez it and convert it to 24p on the fly? Will it be letter or pillar boxed (Aspect ratio is 2.35 so it’s already letterboxed)? Can I control this in the authoring? Does anyone have experience with this?

    2 – Should I up rez? If so, to what exactly? I’ve read 720p has problems on Blu Ray, but 720×480 to 1920×1080 seems like quite a jump.

    3 – If I up rez, should I technically recolor? If so, should I up rez uncolored footage, then recolor?

    4 – Should I do some sort of reverse pull down before up rezzing or is this basically done in the up rez?

    5 – Can you recommend a LA local post house or individual who can help with this (on the cheap)?

    6 – What part of this process can I handle on my own in FCS 2?

    To answer the inevitable question, yes, I know a Blu Ray player can play a DVD, and I have asked the festivals if they can play a DVD but they insist it must be a Blu Ray.

    Thanks in advance for your help,
    Christian


    Christian H. Clark
    City Limit Films
    http://www.citylimitfilms.com

    Christian Clark replied 15 years, 2 months ago 4 Members · 6 Replies
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  • Eric Pautsch

    March 9, 2011 at 9:51 am

    No, you have SD so up-rezing wont do a thing so all other questions are moot.

    The question should be why did you master a 16mm film to DVCam? Dont you have a HI Def image file of the film?

    Putting a SD image on BD is fine but it will still be SD and up-rezed by the player. No reason to make a BD here, just a DVD.

  • Keith Mcgregor

    March 9, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Well, there are some options here and I speak from experience. I shot some really clean and nicely balanced miniDV footage before and just dropped it in a 1280 timeline and fcp upscaled it just fine. I have also tried the upscaling feature in Boris and again, with nice clean footage it didn’t come out that bad. Tried it in AE for a kick and it didn’t look good at all. Now if your footage is not clean and crisp you are in trouble, every ounce of noise is tripled in size and could make everything worse. Even though blu-ray players should be able to play your sd dvd just fine they might not have the upscaling feature (not using proper cords?) and those play sd really nicely, I mean really nice. Every store purchased dvd I have looks excellent on a hdtv when using upscaling but your film might need some treatment or look depending on what it looks like after you manually upscale it coming from such a compression. Why not try a minute of it in a timeline, and in compressor (I have had luck sometimes with that too) but with dv cam it’s interlaced right? Bad for upscaling, hd is the reverse of it and I see that problem on documentaries all the time. If you didn’t make a hd master can’t you treat the project as offline and try to reconnect with a higher resolution? If you can transfer to hd and use either xml or cinema tools. And dvd’s are supposed to conform to 29.97 internally right? So at 23.976 or what have you, that all films are mastered to, the player itself plays back according to the standards of ntsc. (Not 100% sure on that last one but remember reading it multiple times somewhere.)
    -Beef

    Reality? What did you make it?

  • Chris Borjis

    March 9, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    [Christian Clark] “I’ve read 720p has problems on Blu Ray”

    That would be false.

    I’ve made many BD masters with 720P.

    The one issue is 29.97 is not supported, only 59.94 or 23.98 for 720P.

  • Christian Clark

    March 9, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Thanks for your response. When I put the SD film on a Blu Ray, and it’s up rezzed by the player, does it appear letter and/or pillar boxed? I guess I’m wondering how exactly it goes from 720×480 to 1920×1080. I’m sort of assuming it pillar boxes it. My film is 2.35 within the 720×480 so would cropping it ahead of time help avoid pillar boxing in addition to the letter boxing it already has?

    I still need help making the Blu Ray, even if it’s just an SD film on the Blu Ray, so if anyone has someone to recommend, I would greatly appreciate it.


    Christian H. Clark
    City Limit Films
    http://www.citylimitfilms.com

  • Eric Pautsch

    March 10, 2011 at 1:48 am

    If the festival is asking for BD then they are asking for Hi Def. You dont have Hi Def since you didnt transfer it that way. You need to create DVD. They play back on BD players fine. Id call them and tell them your unusual circumstance.

  • Christian Clark

    March 15, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Hey Eric,

    I spoke to the festival again, and they are insisting on a Blu Ray “because they play back better.” I also spoke to Walter Biscardi, and he recommended I get in touch with you for local LA based help. I can’t seem to find a way to send you a direct message thru the Cow, but if you get this, can you let me know if you can help?

    Thanks,


    Christian H. Clark
    City Limit Films
    http://www.citylimitfilms.com

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