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  • Scrolling text “shaking”?

    Posted by Catherine Ceigersmidt on August 24, 2007 at 11:24 pm

    I just noticed that my scrolling credits bob up and down slightly as they scroll up the screen. I only notice it in the smaller type (my font is Lucida Grande at 17 point). I’ve tried making the font a darker shade of gray, but it doesn’t seem to be improving the shaking. Any suggestions?

    Bret Williams replied 18 years, 8 months ago 6 Members · 10 Replies
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  • Tom Wolsky

    August 24, 2007 at 11:27 pm

    Use a larger font. Don’t scroll the text.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop”

  • Michael Gissing

    August 25, 2007 at 1:18 am

    If you are using FCP’s scrolling text, you might want to try the Boris Scrolling text which for me looks smoother. Small fonts are a problem and if you are doing a credit roll for TV, small fonts are hard to read anyway.

    The speed of the scrolling makes a difference too. Try a longer or shorter scroll to see if it is just a bad combination of font size, style and speed. Some people suggest a slight blur can help.

  • Seth Hancock

    August 25, 2007 at 1:34 am

    I can attest… A one pixel blur from Boris Continuum Complete or something like that works wonders.

    Seth

    Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.
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  • Bob Auiler

    August 25, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    If you are working in NTSC standard def, make your vertical rolls in multiples of 120 pixels/second and you’ll get very smooth rolls regardless of the font style or size.

  • Tom Wolsky

    August 25, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    17 point won’t look good on video even if it’s still, and will look worse when it’s moving. Unfortunately there has never been a way to set scroll speeds based on pixels in FCP, or better yet a scroll tool that has specific rates of travel for NTSC or PAL video, the way Chyron and real character generators do.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop”

  • Bob Auiler

    August 25, 2007 at 4:41 pm

    I just rolled a page of text that was 17 “point” (lines} and it looked just as good as our Chyron or A-72 ever did on an NTSC monitor. I used the motion tab and also the Boris controls with the same results.

    Edit a page of text into a sequence exactly 4 seconds long, set Y position key frames at 0 and 4 seconds. At key frame 1 set Y position to 0 and at key frame 2 set Y position to 480 (120×4=480).

  • Tom Wolsky

    August 25, 2007 at 7:17 pm

    I’d quibble about how good 17 point looks. I think it looks pretty poor, still or otherwise. You’re talking about animating. I’m talking about a text plugin or text tool within the application. There isn’t one. Strangely there isn’t one in any application that I know of. Only AE has a way of setting speed based on pixel movement.

    Position y 0 is the center of the screen, you’d have to set timing for -480 to 480 for DV. One more reason to get out of this interlaced garbage and work in a progressive format.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop”

  • Tom Wolsky

    August 25, 2007 at 7:25 pm

    And I forgot to allow for the pixel height, and there’s the rub of course. -480 will set the text at the bottom of the screen. You need to start with the text off the screen. So you have to calculate on how far the text as to move from it’s off screen position, and of course if you have a large text block, the off screen position might be -1200 or -1782 pixels of some such and then you have to calculate it’s plus side position, and I’m no good at math and my head hurts already. Give me a plug-in with preset speeds. Can it be that hard?

    All the best,

    Tom

    Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 3.5 HD Editing Workshop”

  • Catherine Ceigersmidt

    August 26, 2007 at 4:13 pm

    Haha…yeah I’d have to agree with Tom on this one. I’ve replaced my 17-point font with 20, FCP scrolling text with Boris crawl, and it’s made a significant difference. Thanks to all who responded!

    ~ Cathy

  • Bret Williams

    August 28, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    Ummm.. you’ll still have to do the math. There’s only one speed that a scroll looks good at. And the math takes about half a second to calculate. A lot quicker than bickering about it here.

    You want good scrolling text in FCP, learn how ntsc works. Yes, it’s sad that Avid’s roll has had speed presets since 1996, but that’s only 12 years ago. I’m sure we’ll catch up someday. 🙁

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