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  • Screwed by a freelancer

    Posted by Neil Weaver on June 8, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    I post this as a cross between a cautionary tale and rant. I’ve just been royally screwed by a freelancer and would like to know if anyone else out there has suffered a similar experience.

    I was recently in a situation where the client came in quite late with their shooting schedule and my regular camera ops were all booked up. It meant I was in the unwelcome position of venturing into the unknown for a replacement. However, we’d recently been contacted by someone with extensive experience in broadcasting as a shooting Producer/Director who was interested in freelancing for us so I thought I’d give them a go.

    I called this person up to chat about whether their availability and suitability for the job, and they ticked all the right boxes; agreeing that as it was a corporate with the potential to be quite a dry subject, the importance of shooting it artfully and really paying attention to shot composition etc was paramount.

    I’d like to stress at this point that it was really short notice. Under normal circumstances I would have been more vigilant with regards to checking references and experience and so on, but I had to go on their resume and a bit of gut instinct – and following the phone call, no alarm bells were ringing, so I gave them the gig.

    Big mistake. I’ve spent today reviewing the rushes of what was shot and it’s little short of disastrous. Vast swathes of footage are just completely unusable – probably 80%. The remaining 20% is borderline. Framing, composition, shot selection, focus, exposure; you name it, it’s wrong. It’s not a simple case of lacking experience, it’s a matter of not understanding basic principles.

    I now have to go back to the client and try and manufacture a plausible reason as to why I need to go and reshoot. This is gonna cost me time and money, not to mention making me look a complete idiot.

    As the person with ultimate control over the project, including all the hiring and firing, I’m the one to blame. I get that. The buck has to stop with me, and at the very least I’ve learnt a good lesson about trusting people, albeit the hard way.

    I’m still at a loss though, as to why someone would offer their services – making repeated claims as to their competence in an area when they were completely lacking. Reputations matter in this industry – massively – so why risk yours, and your employer’s by putting yourself forward for something you can’t do? Surely anyone with even half an eye on their future prospects would know you don’t practice on someone else’s dollar.

    Anyway rant over. I’d welcome any thoughts you may have.

    Grinner Hester replied 16 years, 10 months ago 12 Members · 16 Replies
  • 16 Replies
  • Steve Wargo

    June 9, 2009 at 4:56 am

    Is it a creative difference or just really bad camera work? Some shooters go overboard trying to get a new look and blow it big time.

    Steve Wargo
    Tempe, Arizona
    It’s a dry heat!

    Sony HDCAM F-900 & HDW-2000/1 deck
    5 Final Cut (not quite PRO) systems
    Sony HVR-M25 HDV deck
    2-Sony EX-1 HD .

  • Neil Weaver

    June 9, 2009 at 9:48 am

    No it’s bad camera work, plain and simple. Amateurish all round. Even the bits I can use are just passive and unengaging.

    After a bit of investigating it turns out that this person has plenty of P/D experience but very little on camera. Even still, I would expect someone with over 10 years industry experience to know how to compose a shot, even if they weren’t the best at tracking and moving. You can always inject energy in the afterwards in the edit.

  • John Cummings

    June 9, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    I would guess the first mistake was hiring a Producer/Director as a shooter.

    Just because someone knows how it should look doesn’t mean they can make it happen. Problem is, good shooters make it look so easy.

    One can only hope the person was sweating bullets as they realized they weren’t getting the goods…and if they thought they were, then they’re truly clueless.

    J Cummings
    Cameralogic/Chicago
    cameralogic.tv
    HDX-900/HDW-730S/DXC-D50

  • David Roth weiss

    June 9, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    [Neil Weaver] “I’ve spent today reviewing the rushes of what was shot and it’s little short of disastrous. Vast swathes of footage are just completely unusable – probably 80%. The remaining 20% is borderline. Framing, composition, shot selection, focus, exposure; you name it, it’s wrong. It’s not a simple case of lacking experience, it’s a matter of not understanding basic principles. “

    Neil,

    I think the big question I’d have to ask is, why did you wait until the shoot was completed to check out this new person’s work? I would have been looking over his shoulder and through the lens right from the start until I was satisfied that he knew his stuff and knew what I needed.

    David

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Mark Suszko

    June 9, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    I feel for ya, more than I can say. We once hired a freelance guy to shoot ENG, plain vanilla news coverage, simple enough to do, and he had credentials, and…. every third shot he brought back was a Dutch Tilt, WTH?

    Was there a reason you could’t go shoot it yourself? I think I’d do that before risking an unknown, even if I lost money on it.

    We are perhaps all to blame a little bit for this sometimes, I mean as an industry. The thing the new guys always hear are stories where somebody needed a first big break, and “overstated” their qualifications, yet heroically measured-up when it came down to the actual task. David Gerrold tells a tale of how he snuck onto the Paramount lot as a kid and commandeered an empty production office for weeks with no credentials, just a suit and a briefcase…eventually gets to write the “Tribbles” episode for Star Trek TOS.

    Makes a great story, who doesn’t like that story? Who hasn’t to an extent lived that story at some point? One of our COW members recently told a story about being asked if he knew a specific NLE system, he lied and said he did, then crammed all night so he could make it good… and he did make good… Maybe we’re encouraging too much of this kind of risk-taking behavior in competitive times, where anybody will claim expertise in anything just to get work, to get a break, to get in.

    To grow and develop our skills, we always have to get out of our comfort zone and try a thing we’ve never tried before, so we can learn to master it. Understood. This scenario however is just a guy b-essing his way thru a gig out of his depth.

    OTOH, it IS a corporate gig, those are usually pretty bad to start with:-P

  • Timothy J. allen

    June 9, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    What’s really bad is when you get a misleading reel and interview. That’s why personal references count so much. That’s why I ask the group here and in CreativeCow’s Corporate Video Forum) when I need a freelancer in an unfamiliar area.
    There’s some credibility with this site, especially with the long-timers… and even more since people had to start using real names. After 10 years of being involved with many of the contributors here, I trust their advice as much as the people I see every day.

  • Mike Cohen

    June 9, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    A few important questions to answer:

    Were you at the shoot?
    If so, was there a video monitor, or did you just sit there assuming the shooter knew what to do.
    If you checked the shots, or even checked the viewfinder and iris settings yourself once in a while, then you could avert disaster later.
    If you were on the shoot but not able to check any shots, then what were you doing?

    I certainly have been on shoots where I have so many things to do that there is little time to look over shoulders, but I tend to work with people whose reputations I trust or who I have trained myself.

    If you were not at the shoot, did you give the shooter a shot list of exactly what you want?

    If so, did they follow it?

    If they got you your shots, but then displayed a lack of skill and got you crap, then the other replies on this thread are valid – check out a reel and get a recommendation or testimonial from a past client of the shooter.

    Regardless of the answers, it still comes down to knowing the capabilities of the contractor.

    When hiring a crew in a major city, you should be able to find a crew with Network or Dateline-type credits. Lacking that, get a recommendation from someone you know.

    As to your recourse, you could tell the freelancer how dissatisfied you are and try to pay him less. But your only option with the client is to go, tail between the legs, and admit that there is a problem with the footage. It happens, probably more than you would imagine.

    Mike

  • Mike Cohen

    June 9, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    Last year I hired a freelance shooter to record a meeting that I did not attend. I went through Google city search and talked to the three bears.

    One was too high for pointing a camera at guys giving powerpoint lectures.

    One was just right, but couldn’t make it.

    The third was too low – a kid right out of school, trying to get some gigs, with his own JVC HD camera. His reel showed that, if he was being honest about actually producing the material, he had some basic aesthetic and technical skill.

    But he was going to charge $100 plus tape stock.

    This is usually a sign that someone either, A, does not know how much to charge, or B, someone does not know what they are doing but still wants to make money.

    I generally would never pay so little for a video shoot, because you are asking for trouble. A bargain is not a bargain if you do not get anything in return.

    Knowing that he was probably my only option, and wanting to steer him in the right direction, I asked a few questions to make sure he knew what he was talking about, which he did, and then suggested he come up with a legitimate half-day rate – something that is a good value for me, but something that pays him as a professional, not a kid. You pay your nephew $100 to shoot your kid’s bar-mitzvah.

    The end result was $400 changed hands, still the lowest I have ever paid for a half-day shoot. The result was ok for what it is – guys giving powerpoint lectures. Had I paid him the $100, I would have gotten the same result, but I would never pay so little due to the above discussion. Also paying so little for “pro” work devalues our industry. Finally, paying within a professional range for work lets the vendor know that you expect a good result but that you trust them to do what they say they can do.

    There is of course the honor system in these transactions.

    Mike

  • Rich Rubasch

    June 10, 2009 at 1:04 am

    I was looking at an errors and omissions insurance policy that would cover exactly this situation. You probably wouldn’t get MORE than you paid the first shooter, but it would go a long way to appease the client and get the shots you need.

    You know us editors out here would love to see a few shots and see if we couldn’t find a way to save it! Post something on YouTube!

    Rich Rubasch
    Tilt Media

  • Neil Weaver

    June 10, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Update then, and I’ve just got back from the reshoot, got what I needed under the guise of going the extra mile for the client so they are none the wiser about the ‘issues’ with the first shoot. Feel much better now.

    I was on the original shoot, telling the operator where to position and what shots I was after – hence the reason some of what was shot was ok. It was a highly mobile shoot and simply not possible to watch every shot – when you don’t have a playback monitor, which would have been impractical on this occassion anyway, you have to trust your operator knows what they’re doing. Next time, it doesn’t matter how busy it is, I’m playing stuff back before we get back to base! I also recognise there are failings in this experience where the buck stops with me.

    The original shooter has been told their material is basically unusable. They have done the decent thing and waived their fee, (although despite apologising profusely is still claiming to have shooting experience for both MTV and BBC which I find hard to believe). I will see how much if any of their material can be used and if it turns out to be more than I think I will recompense them accordingly, although not in full. I don’t rip people off.

    Well, this has been a learning experience all round. Unlikely to happen again as I’m in the process of expanding my talent pool and will make sure any new additions are thoroughly vetted. (They usually are – there was just a lack of time on this one.)

    I’ll have to see if I can post any of the offending rushes on youtube – don’t want to give anything away to the client though!

    Cheers all,

    Neil

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