Satellite broadcast looks bad help please

[David Roth weiss]

[jim Kinsey] “I work in a 8 bit timeline Dv anamorphic.”

How do you achieve that? Explain please, that’s not 100% clear.

And, see what I wrote in this earlier thread https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/8/1007284.

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[Jim Kinsey]

I mean 8 bit YUV. Sorry. Will a KONA 3 and a good deck capable of Inputing/outputting the original footage help?

[Shane Ross]

You can’t do anything. The signal is compressed at the network for broadcast…there is nothing you can do about how they compress. All you can do is get them the best quality output you can.

Broadcast compression can be mighty bad.

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[Jim Kinsey]

Thanks. I have noticed other SD broadcasts that seem to be shot and edited in DV look cleaner. Quite a bit of the original footage was shot with a Canon XL2 anamorphic 30P ( frame mode ). Is there any reason that going to 480i would be any better?

[Shane Ross]

Got me. This all depends on how you deliver too. The other DV shows might deliver on digibeta, or be professionally color corrected, or many other variables.

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[Jim Kinsey]

I have been sending out our shows file based DVCPRo 50 anamorphic. Then the show get ingested into a FCP timeline and output SDI to beta sp I believe letter-boxed. The network gets it then encodes it to MPEG 2 for satellite distribution. We are just repurposing our SD footage as all our acquisition now is Solid state PANNY P2 and EX1 SXS. So no worries for our future stuff. So there is no other step I could take to make it any cleaner than outputting to digibeta?

[Walter Biscardi]

[jim Kinsey] “Anyway I have a show that airs on Direct tv each week and have noticed that the SD broadcast is really grainy and not as clean as the original show.”

Of course it isn’t. It’s compressed by DirecTV for broadcast. Depending on what channel you are, it will be more or less compressed. I used to work for a corporate company that had a corporate channel on DirecTV and it was pretty clean on there, not perfect, but pretty clean.

You can only deliver the cleanest master you can make. Once it goes to broadcast, it’s out of your hands.

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[Ernie Santella]

The satellite companies can use different compression on different channels. (You pay more, you get better quality) That could be part of the issue. Are you able to ask them what bit-rate they are encoding on your channel vs. other channels. (They may not tell you, they don’t like to admit that)

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[Jim Kinsey]

Thanks for all your input. I can now approach my partners and tell them we are doing everything right on our end but our broadcast in being super duper compressed. It is unfortunate for sure. I am excited at an all HD show sometime next year although still compressed it should look leaps and bounds better than SD.

JK

[Chuck Reti]

Just curious to know if the output from the captioning facility matches your original- any video decoding/recoding artifacts in the process that might contribute?