Sapphire Dissolve Glow affecting layers below required

[Grinner Hester]

alt-grag the effect onthat clip. If yu use it as filer, it will affect everythig under it.

[Alex Bond]

Thanks for the reply,

I’ve tried this I’m afraid and it doesn’t seem to work. I can see that if you step in and put half the effect on each clip either side of the transition but frankly that seems longwinded and will not allow me much flexibility for tweaking.

Any other ideas?

Alex.

[Grinner Hester]

if you apply your glow then alt-drag yor pip, you’ll be ok.

[Alex Bond]

hmmm…I’ve tried this and it’s still affecting all layers. I’m trying to just apply the dissolve to one of my Picture in Picture pictures which just happens to be on the top layer, so the effect is filtering down to all the layers below and flashing all three pictures.

I guess I could move the layer to the bottom but i’m not sure that’s a good solution for the future. Alt dragging the effect just seems to apply the effect without altering any settings.

Any thoughts?

[Gary Oberbrunner]

Hi Alex — I’ll be glad to help you figure it out. Can you give me some more detail about what your situation is and what you’re trying to do? Sometimes you can just use Sapphire to do the PiP for instance; depends on the situation. If you just tell me what you’ve got on each layer, I’ll set it up here and see if we can’t come up with something.

— Gary Oberbrunner

[Alex Bond]

Wow, cool.

Ok, I’m new to Avid so bear with me if I miss out details. I’m using Avid Media Composer running on a PC with a Mojo. The Avid has Sapphire effects as a plug in (seems to be capable of some really cool stuff – I’m used to Borix FX and After Effects).

On screen I’ve got 3 pictures. One on the left hand side goes top to bottom, the right hand side is then split into two more pics top and bottom. Each one has been built as a separate layer, titled up on the left of the sequence so I can keep track of things and each one’s scale/position has been duplicated by dragging the effect onto each clip. The picture on the left was masked and each shot moved around so it made sense (seeing as it’s a tall thin pic), the pics on the rhs were just scaled and repositioned.

Each track has cuts and dissolves all along it and I was looking at putting a Sapphire Dissolve Glow on some of the transitions. However whenever I put a ‘glow on, it affects ALL tracks below the current one so I end up with the shot I want transitioning (if that’s a word) but the effect is applied to all pictures on screen.

For eg, I put a glow on the top right picture (which happens to be the top layer of video), and at that point all 3 pics have the glow on, even though only one (the top right) is changing from one pic to the next.

So basically, I’m trying to isolate the effect so it ONLY affects one picture, in fact one track, at a time.

Hope that makes sense!

Thanks in advance

Alex.

[Gary Oberbrunner]

Hi, Alex. Sounds like you’ve got a pretty complex comp there.
I’m not sure how it exactly works, but here’s something I worked
up that maybe you could try, just to get an idea of how Sapphire
can be used to do picture-in-picture and layering/compositing:

I put three video tracks on V1, V2, and V3. My goal was to fly
them all around while glowing the top one and blurring the bottom one.

On V1, I just put the S2_Blur. Now it needs to be scaled and
positioned. I assume you’re using the AVX2 version of Sapphire2 here
(those all have a “Help” button as the first parameter); if so,
there’s a set of widget enable buttons on the right side of the effect
editor. Click the one whose tooltip says “Show Transform Widgets”,
and put the image where you want it. (Add keyframes if you like.)

Now on V2, all you need is S2_Layer to layer it over V1. Again show
the transform widgets and move the layer where you want it. (Note
that it defaults to Background: 1 Track Below, which is what you want.)

Then for V3, you want to glow it and comp over the other two layers,
so use S2_Glow. Select Background: 1 Track Below so your background
will show through behind the glowed fg track, and again transform the
layer where you want it. (Notice the glow only affects the V3 video.)

Now you have 3 tracks with independent effects, each moving around
independently. If there were transitions on the tracks, you could
submaster them or use various other techniques.

Does that help a bit? Let me know…

— Gary

[Alex Bond]

Thanks for this – I’m going to get on it as soon as I can, edit suites rammed today!

[Alex Bond]

Gary,

I hope you’re still being notified from this post!

Have gone through your instructions, thanks very much for those – learnt a few little tricks, esp the “Show transform Widgets” tool.

Your method works well however I was trying to do a transition glow between two shots on one of the PIPs. When I applied the dissolve glow using your system the same problem occurred and the glow was appied to all three PIPs.

I could ramp each effect, the end of the first up to 100% glow and the beginning of the next down FROM 100% – seems a bit long winded though.

any thoughts?

alexgbond@hotmail.com

[Gary Oberbrunner]

Hi Alex. Yep, I’m still here 🙂

Our support page here https://www.genarts.com/sapphire-avx-support.html#titles has some info on using transitions with titles, which should also apply to your situation here. (Basically you want the individual tracks you’re transitioning NOT to include the background, just themselves and their alpha; then you transition the RGBA, then layer that over the bg.)

If that doesn’t resolve it, please email me (garyo at genarts dot com) instructions to reproduce your setup, or better yet send me a bin, and I’ll help you get the look you want.

— Gary