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[Oliver Peters] “[Bill Davis] “The guy who CREATED the program isn’t mentioned in the 25th Anniversary marketing push.”
That doesn’t seem surprising at all. Neither are any of the other developers mentioned. So far, the only actual reference to anyone from Adobe that I’ve seen is a quote from Dave Helmly in one of their blogs. Dave is still at Adobe, but came in from CoSA.
– Oliver”
Well I suppose “being still at Adobe” is a bigger deal than actually creating the original program…
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[Andrew Kimery] ” I would have to add “Droidmaker: George Lucas And the Digital Revolution” to the ‘must read’ list.”
Great book, a great look at the history of digital film making. And you’ll learn why HAL was singing “Daisy, Daisy” in Kubrick’s 2001.
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Doubling down here, but this just pisses me off.
I just can’t imagine how I’d feel if (in a community of CONTENT CREATORS, no Less) – I’d created something that generated an industry – and on the 25th anniversary of said creation – I found myself essentially ERASED from the corporate history.
I make small, shitty corporate videos. Yet I STILL remember how pissed I was decades ago when I saw somebody at NAB in a discussion I witnessed, claiming that a piece of work I had created – was THEIR work, not mine.
I can’t fathom how I’d feel if instead of a stupid one-off video – it was a huge worldwide commercial force.
Wow.
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[Bill Davis] “Yet I STILL remember how pissed I was decades ago when I saw somebody at NAB in a discussion I witnessed, claiming that a piece of work I had created – was THEIR work, not mine.”
But no one is making such a claim here. The company brought out a product developed by an employee. Done deal.
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[Bill Davis] “I make small, shitty corporate videos. Yet I STILL remember how pissed I was decades ago when I saw somebody at NAB in a discussion I witnessed, claiming that a piece of work I had created – was THEIR work, not mine.
“Not the same thing surely? If you make a film for a client then it’s their film, if you make something while employed by a company then it’s theirs surely.
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[Bill Davis] “I make small, shitty corporate videos. Yet I STILL remember how pissed I was decades ago when I saw somebody at NAB in a discussion I witnessed, claiming that a piece of work I had created – was THEIR work, not mine.”
You mean another production company took credit for your work, or the client you did the work for referred to it as ‘theirs’ w/o specifying that you were the vender that actually did the work? The former would piss me off too, but the latter, while maybe rude if you are standing right there and the client doesn’t credit you, is what it is.
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The picture is gold! Would you mind if I reposted it?
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[Bill Davis] “I just can’t imagine how I’d feel if (in a community of CONTENT CREATORS, no Less) – I’d created something that generated an industry – and on the 25th anniversary of said creation – I found myself essentially ERASED from the corporate history.”
It is about Premiere not Randy. They are celebrating the product not programmer.
Should Apple on the 25th Anniversary of FCP talk about Randy working for Adobe and then later working for Macromedia? Is it about FCP or Randy’s life?
When FCXP launched many FCPX user thought Apple invented GPU acceleration and background rendering. It was Fast/Pinnacle that did it first. At the keynote for FCPX Apple certainly did not mention they were implementing old technology into FCPX that was introduced by Fast Multimedia over ten years prior to the launch of FCPX. Do you feel as though Apple should have made mention of that at the FCPX keynote? Should all companies have to give credit where credit is due? If not why is it so important for Adobe to mention Randy Ubillos? I am not sure if Avid or even Autodesk make mention of the programmers on their products anniversaries. Would you be upset if Avid opted not to list the programmers on the 30th anniversary of Media Composer? I would not mind if Adobe mentioned Randy Ubillos but they don’t have to.
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Enormous thanks for suggesting this book – downloaded and I’m well into it now, and engrossed. It’s fantastic, in the same vein as easy riders raging bulls and down and dirty pictures.
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The former.
If the company commissions the work and pays for it it’s theirs, period.
I get that. Totally.
This was different. My work for my client being shown in a context that implied it was somebody else’s effort.But that’s just “work” – people taking credit for the work others have actually done happens all the time.
I’ve sat in a hundred meetings where the manager who NEVER ONCE set foot on the shoot or at the edit and didn’t contribute a single usefully note along the way suddenly starts using the phrase “hope you enjoyed OUR video…. ” or worse “MY video lowered costs by…” completely ignoring the 3 staffers in the room that spent 100 hours over 10 days in the suite with me sweating bullets to get it right.
I expect that. Completely.
But this isnt just “work” in my opinion.
It’s intellectual creation. Building on others work sure, but crafting something that hasn’t existed before. On Premiere 1.0 and through a large part of 2.0 it was just Randy. Creating an NLE program from scratch. I heard Mr Ubillos tell the creation story in person. No real client, no real company sponsorship worth noting – just an idea and the desire to make something useful. A personal passion project that he had no assurances anyone would ever have any use for. When he showed it to Adobe, he hoped they might be interested, but the way he told us it was far from sure they cared at all.
Everything else that Premiere is today started from that. Maybe that’s not worth mention in the world of Adobe as it sits today. But it’s still the truth at least as I understand it.
Whether it makes it into the company celebration or not.
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