Resolve 11 What is your plan?

[Shawn Larkin]

I struggled with X for a while too. It has matured enough so you can “get around” the timeline now without being super creative because Apple have figured out how to allow you to do all those things you need to without tracks (most of the time anyways).

My gripe has always been: Sometimes tracks are better for particular tasks and I wish you could switch them on / off.

This version of Resolve kind addresses that with how it’s rippling feature set is integrated. At least in the demo. I have not used R11 yet.

Jeremy:

For the collaboration side, the demo also shoes how this works with accepting or denying a change in the timeline. I have a feeling, that if you deny a change, there is a tracked way to keep what was there while the other person continues with the change. I mean, the BMD guys get those things happen.

Anyhow, my final feelings with Resolve is if people “get it” then it will get a lot of people jumping on it — pros and tinkerers. I mean, it’s free and it’s so powerful and it’s design is impeccable.

[David Mathis]

[Shawn Larkin] “I struggled with X for a while too. It has matured enough so you can “get around” the timeline now without being super creative because Apple have figured out how to allow you to do all those things you need to without tracks (most of the time anyways).

My gripe has always been: Sometimes tracks are better for particular tasks and I wish you could switch them on / off.

This version of Resolve kind addresses that with how it’s rippling feature set is integrated. At least in the demo. I have not used R11 yet.”

I agree and the trim tools in Resolve look great. This is one area Final Cut Pro X needs to address. I also like the fact how you can edit the keyframes directly in the timeline, that is a great feature.

[Shawn Larkin] ”
Jeremy:

For the collaboration side, the demo also shoes how this works with accepting or denying a change in the timeline. I have a feeling, that if you deny a change, there is a tracked way to keep what was there while the other person continues with the change. I mean, the BMD guys get those things happen.

Anyhow, my final feelings with Resolve is if people “get it” then it will get a lot of people jumping on it — pros and tinkerers. I mean, it’s free and it’s so powerful and it’s design is impeccable.”

Well said, this latest release looks to be a game changer. This might become the next version of Smoke, it is heading in that direction.

[Jim]

From a visual cutting/CC capability it looks very strong. However, there are very limited capabilities with audio. Maybe xml to ProTools or Audition for processing and such, and the reps on site really haven’t thought about audio at all.

Funny, even w/ their cameras, audio seems to be low on the priority list for BM.

Cheers,

Jim

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Shawn Larkin] “For the collaboration side, the demo also shoes how this works with accepting or denying a change in the timeline. I have a feeling, that if you deny a change, there is a tracked way to keep what was there while the other person continues with the change. I mean, the BMD guys get those things happen.”

I guess I have to check these demos everyone keeps pointing out.

I think it’d be awesome to be able to edit and color correct on the same timeline by multiple people.

[Shawn Larkin] “Anyhow, my final feelings with Resolve is if people “get it” then it will get a lot of people jumping on it — pros and tinkerers. I mean, it’s free and it’s so powerful and it’s design is impeccable.”

I am looking forward to it. I think initial rough cuts and organization in X is too easy and powerful to deny, but it’ll be great to move to Resolve in later stages, that time when the cut is pretty tight but not quite locked, and still be able to get real work done without a lot of conforming changes or back and forth.

As far as compositing in Resolve, there’s already a node system, masking, tracking, keying, they’d “just” have to add some deeper compositing tools. I guess I could see how that could be the next logical step, but that’s a pretty huge step.

Cool. I think I need to watch these demos so I can get my hopes up and be disappointed with yet another missed release date. 😉

Jeremy

[Mitch Ives]

[Charlie Austin] “And I really, really don’t like cutting in a tracked timeline anymore. And I really like the metadata power of X, makes my job so much easier.

But… R11 could be even easier for folks coming from 7 to get up to speed on than Pr, and it should interact very nicely with X so… I can have my cake and eat it too. :-)”

I really think you should take a closer look at 11… it’s not tracks the way most people think of them. Someone else referred to them as a “trackless/track” approach. I’d agree… it’s different, and IMO more flexible than all tracks or no tracks.

I know this will piss off a lot of people, but everywhere I went in NAB I kept hearing the same thing: “Resolve 11 is what X should have been”. None of them seemed to be dissing X, and neither am I… it’s just once you see it, it’s a natural reaction. It’s very polished… very Apple-like. If you use X, the interface is damn near identical… the Inspector is a dead ringer. Resolve 11 seems to be all the good from X plus all the great stuff from 7 that we lost in X. The intuitive trimming will have all the other NLE’s re-thinking their trim modes, IMO.

Your mileage may vary…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Walter Soyka]

[Jeremy Garchow] “As far as compositing in Resolve, there’s already a node system, masking, tracking, keying, they’d “just” have to add some deeper compositing tools. I guess I could see how that could be the next logical step, but that’s a pretty huge step.”

Agreed. I see a lot of people comparing a hypothetical R12 with compositing to Smoke, but I think the leap from color corrector to NLE, while significant, is much smaller than the leap from color corrector to 3D compositing.

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[Mitch Ives]

[Shawn Larkin] “I struggled with X for a while too. It has matured enough so you can “get around” the timeline now without being super creative because Apple have figured out how to allow you to do all those things you need to without tracks (most of the time anyways).

My gripe has always been: Sometimes tracks are better for particular tasks and I wish you could switch them on / off.”

Well said. I now have enough work-a-rounds for X that it’s workable. I guess my question is: why should I have to have work-a-rounds? Why not have an interface that’s more flexible?

And yes, if your being honest with yourself, there are times where tracks are a superior approach. Not always, but sometimes. Resolve seems to have noticed that. In the old days Apple would have done this, not BMD…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Jeremy Garchow] “As far as compositing in Resolve, there’s already a node system, masking, tracking, keying, they’d “just” have to add some deeper compositing tools. I guess I could see how that could be the next logical step, but that’s a pretty huge step.

Cool. I think I need to watch these demos so I can get my hopes up and be disappointed with yet another missed release date. ;)”

The step between 10 and 11 was huge. I’m no longer thinking that 12 can’t close that gap. I’m not saying Smoke, just closer.

Jeremy, do yourself a favor, don’t watch the demos. Get on a machine with 11 somewhere. It’s different. I found the videos interesting. Standing at the machine… asking Joe tough questions and seeing how it all integrates had me grinning like crazy. As I said, my Premiere using friend only stood there because I wanted to see it. By the end, he was sold (he was a 7 user before X, when he switched to Premiere).

It’s kind of like a car auction… watching it on TV isn’t the same as standing next to the car…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Charlie Austin]

[Mitch Ives] “very Apple-like. If you use X, the interface is damn near identical… the Inspector is a dead ringer. Resolve 11 seems to be all the good from X plus all the great stuff from 7 that we lost in X. The intuitive trimming will have all the other NLE’s re-thinking their trim modes, IMO.

Your mileage may vary…”

I’m sure that’s true, and I’ll absolutely be checking it out. But the trackless timeline isn’t all there is about X that makes my life easier. The way the browser works, KW collections, smart collections etc. The TL index, Roles, Clip Skimming, Auditions, Audio Components… things like that are a huge part of it as well…

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[Mitch Ives]

[Charlie Austin] “I’m sure that’s true, and I’ll absolutely be checking it out. But the trackless timeline isn’t all there is about X that makes my life easier. The way the browser works, KW collections, smart collections etc. The TL index, Roles, Clip Skimming, Auditions, Audio Components… things like that are a huge part of it as well…”

Absolutely… I don’t think I suggested removing X… 🙂

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill