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  • rendering widescreen

    Posted by Peter Bailey on July 24, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Ok i am new at this so forgive my terminology! I have a video project in vegas 9 pro that has been matched to the avchd file (i think)

    HD 1080-50i (1920×1080, 25.000 fps) recorded at maximum resolution on a panasonic tm300. my footage since february has been recorded at same resolution with a original widescreen panasonic converter lens attached (this could be an issue).

    not sure what setting i should put on for pixel aspect ratio 1.4568 pal dv widescreen? at present this is set to 1000 square

    i have uploaded an image of the project settings, i believe the final 4 combo settings are ok but clarification would be helpful.

    I am not sure what to expect but I have rendered to mainconcept mpeg 2 with the dvda pal widescreen template.

    I was not sure if with the converter lens and everything to widescreen if the resultant image would fill a widescreen tv or have the black bands top and bottom, some of my rendered videos have the bands and some dont despite all being 720 x 576 frame size.

    I dont mind bands appearing but for consistency i think all the videos entering my final dvd should be the same and not mixed some with and some without the bands.

    properties of media file as i cannot recall how it was recorded as i didnt have the converter lens then:

    General
    Name: 20091218_120931.m2ts
    Folder: D:Video projectsProject colegio teatro 18-12-2009
    Type: MPEG-2 Transport Stream
    Size: 1.96 GB (2,006,095,872 bytes)
    Created: 18 December 2009, 16:19:09
    Modified: 18 December 2009, 13:25:22
    Accessed: 18 December 2009, 16:19:09
    Attributes: Archive

    Streams
    Video: 00:15:49.440, 25.000 fps interlaced, 1920x1080x12, AVC
    Audio 1: 00:15:49.440, 48,000 Hz, 5.1 Surround (stereo downmix), Dolby AC-3
    Audio 2: 00:15:49.440, 48,000 Hz, 5.1 Surround, Dolby AC-3

    ACID information
    ACID chunk: no
    Stretch chunk: no
    Stretch list: no
    Stretch info2: no
    Beat markers: no
    Detected beats: no

    Other metadata
    Regions/markers: no
    Command markers: no

    Media manager
    Media tags: no

    Plug-In
    Name: compoundplug.dll
    Folder: C:Program FilesSonyVegas Pro 9.0FileIO Plug-Inscompoundplug
    Format: MPEG-2 Transport Stream
    Version: Version 1.0 (Build 779) 64-bit
    Company: Sony Creative Software Inc.

    regards
    ps not sure where the uploaded image resides so not sure if its visible to you
    regards in advance

    John Rofrano replied 15 years, 9 months ago 2 Members · 7 Replies
  • 7 Replies
  • John Rofrano

    July 25, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    HD 1080-50i (1920×1080, 25.000 fps) recorded at maximum resolution on a panasonic tm300. my footage since february has been recorded at same resolution with a original widescreen panasonic converter lens attached (this could be an issue).

    You are correct about the widescreen converter being an issue. The Panasonic HDC-TM300 already shoots widescreen HD. If you put a widescreen converter lens in front of it that would be a bad thing. I’m not sure what you would wind up with but it probably won’t look correct unless you manually change the pixel aspect to compensate for it.

    not sure what setting i should put on for pixel aspect ratio 1.4568 pal dv widescreen? at present this is set to 1000 square

    When rendering, just select MainConcept MPEG2 as the type and DVD Architect PAL Widescreen video stream as the template. This will render the video only. Then render the audio as Digital Dolby AC3 and give it the same filename with the .ac3 file extension. This way DVD Architect will know that the .mpg file and .ac3 file are for the same video because then names are the same.

    ps not sure where the uploaded image resides so not sure if its visible to you

    If you are trying to show us an image, you have to copy the URL and paste it into your post after you upload the image. Just go back and select the image and cut and paste the URL.

    Like this:

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • Peter Bailey

    July 25, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Thanks for the advice! I am not sure what Panasonic are doing as the wide converter lens along with the teleconverter lens are recommended as accessories for the tm300. I did a compare shoot of the same scene and the widescreen lens does give a wider shot but maybe someone else will read this who has the same camera and can give more info.

    Thank you as always for taking the time to respond.

    regards in advance

  • John Rofrano

    July 25, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    I am not sure what Panasonic are doing as the wide converter lens along with the teleconverter lens are recommended as accessories for the tm300.

    I believe the problem is just the terminology you used. In your original post you called it a “widescreen” converter which is an anamorphic lens. What you actually have is a “wide angle” convert which is something entirely different and quite appropriate for that camera.

    I did a compare shoot of the same scene and the widescreen lens does give a wider shot but maybe someone else will read this who has the same camera and can give more info.

    Yes, that’s a wide angle conversion lens. It gives you a wider field of view and has nothing to do with widescreen.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • Peter Bailey

    July 26, 2010 at 4:22 am

    aha great so, so far so good. I assume that now haveing a widescreen format is not an issue with my converter lens? I had a trawl through the manual of the camera and could not find anything relating to a widescreen setting apart from the aspect ratio for connection to a television.

    I might just have to accept that it does but still annoying not to be able to find the menu control.

    i assume if its recorded in widescreen and then the dvda widescreen template is used that all will be well and i will see black bars.

    regards in advance

  • John Rofrano

    July 26, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    I assume that now haveing a widescreen format is not an issue with my converter lens?

    Correct, it’s not an issue at all.

    I had a trawl through the manual of the camera and could not find anything relating to a widescreen setting apart from the aspect ratio for connection to a television. I might just have to accept that it does but still annoying not to be able to find the menu control.

    The camera will not have any kind of widescreen setting because HD is always widescreen by definition.

    i assume if its recorded in widescreen and then the dvda widescreen template is used that all will be well and i will see black bars.

    No, you never want to see black bars. Widescreen doesn’t have any black bars. Black bars are a result of a mismatch between standard TV and widescreen TV and should only be seen on a device that cannot display widescreen. Under normal conditions there should be no black bars; just full widescreen on a widescreen TV.

    Remember you need to set your set-top DVD player up correctly to display widescreen correctly.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

  • Peter Bailey

    July 26, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    so does the vegas preview window mimic a widescreen tv? it appears that the rendering process is handled correctly by the dvda template so to avoid having to create a dvd to discover a problem can i set it (preview) to show any potential problem? A lot of questions sorry!

    regards in advance

  • John Rofrano

    July 27, 2010 at 4:03 am

    so does the vegas preview window mimic a widescreen tv?

    Yes, if you right-click the preview window and make sure that Simulate Device Aspect Ratio is checked it will show you exactly what you should see on a widescreen TV.

    ~jr

    http://www.johnrofrano.com
    http://www.vasst.com

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