Rendering in HD is the cause of system low on memory.

[Norman Willis]

Hi Lee.

In the future, may I suggest sticking to one thread as long as you can, so that people do not get lost as to your previously posted system specs? I know I got lost as to what your machine specs are more than once; and then felt pretty silly about having done that.

>>also i mentioned previously that i am more than happy to buy more RAM i have 3 GB already and someone mentioned that vista 32bit cant handle anything higher than 4GB and if you get 4GB it will only use 3.5 GB is this true?

My Vista-64 workstation has different specs, but on my Vista-32 Dell laptop I have 4GB RAM installed, in two 2GB sticks. When I right click on My Computer and select Properties, it shows 4.00 GB Memory (RAM). However, under Windows Task Manager (CTRL-ALT-DEL), Performance tab, Physical Memory MB reads 3581 (i.e., 3.581GB). Other people’s machines may be different: I don’t know, but I think that is fairly standard.

I cannot prove this, but in my subjective personal opinion, Vista is such a memory hog that every little bit of RAM helps. RAM is so cheap now that I would definitely recommend it. And if you have an SDHC or spare USB port, you can also add a 4GB or larger ‘fast’ (Class 6) SDHC card, or a ‘ReadyBoost Capable’ USB/thumb drive, and then right-click the device in Windows Explorer, and enable ‘Windows ReadyBoost’ on that device. This will basically give Vista 4 more GB of RAM for use as a physical swap file. I know it helps my laptop. Please note that you can use a card or a thumb drive larger than 4GB, but Vista 32 will only assign 4GB for ReadyBoost; and then the rest just shows up as storage. But make sure all SDHC cards are Class 6, and USB/thumb drives are certified ‘ReadyBoost Capable’ (i.e., fast).

Another thing that definitely helps is to ‘turn off the pretties.’ Double-click My Computer, click Advanced System Settings, then Advanced tab, then press Performance. Select “Adjust for best performance.” I recommend re-enabling “Show thumbnails instead of icons”, and “smooth edges of screen fonts”: but it is your computer, you can do what you want.

Vista uses a ton of system resources (RAM) for ‘making things pretty’ on the desktop, which does nothing for Vegas. Turning all of that stuff off will reduce a lot of memory overhead for the OS, which makes more memory available for Vegas. Personally, I prefer thumbnails over icons, because it helps me when looking for pictures; and I really prefer smoothing on screen fonts. I don’t know, but I don’t think either of those two things are used much when Vegas is rendering, so I don’t think they cost much in terms of resources during rendering (although someone here may know lots better). However, the rest of the ‘pretties’ I don’t need, and I prefer the extra performance. But again, it is your computer, you can do however you feel led.

I hope this will help you. Please let us know how it goes.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org
servant@nazareneisrael.org

[Lee Hayward]

hi,thanks

i posted a new thread to get more responses and simply state that i cannot render in HD.

thanks for the information i have already tried rendering with the performance on and ‘pretties’ off and it didnt work.

i like the 4gb ready boost idea, is there any threads or sites you could give me so i can read up on it and maybe buy one.(what prices am i looking at here)
so what your saying this usb device is almost like ram when connected i can assgin an extra 4gb ram to my laptop giving me in laymen terms 7GB ram which should render it all together or have i got the wrong end of the stick.
if im right can i use it all the time or just when i need it i.e rendering,editing in sony pro vegas.

( i also tried rendering in 8 bit rather than 32 bit floating point but it made no change. )

thanks lee

[Norman Willis]

>>i like the 4gb ready boost idea, is there any threads or sites you could give me so i can read up on it and maybe buy one.(what prices am i looking at here)

Try:

https://www.tigerdirect.com
https://www.newegg.com

4GB Class 6 SDHC should be about $10-20.00.
4GB ReadyBoost Capable Thumb Drive should be about the same.

>>so what your saying this usb device is almost like ram when connected i can assgin an extra 4gb ram to my laptop giving me in laymen terms 7GB ram which should render it all together or have i got the wrong end of the stick. if im right can i use it all the time or just when i need it i.e rendering,editing in sony pro vegas.

Yes. It is RAM: just a different type.

Just put it in, enable it for ReadyBoost, and leave it in.

I leave a 4GB SDHC card in, because it sits flush. You can take it out and the system will not crash: it just does not run quite as fast.

If you opt for the thumb drive, Kodak makes some half-size ones that fit nice and tight to the system, and do not flop around.

I would think that the main thing would be to boost to 4GB RAM, 4GB ReadyBoost RAM, and then give a 6GB static swap file (6GB initial, 6GB maximum).

I sure hope that helps you get HD.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org
servant@nazareneisrael.org

[Lee Hayward]

thanks, today though i tried rendering back in normal (non HD) and it didnt work so now i cannot render at all, i am losing my mind, i will give this ago though.

if only i could send my project to someone, but its never that easy is it. haha(crys in anger)

thanks
lee

[Norman Willis]

Lee,

If it is that bad, can you go to Best Buy or something, get more RAM locally, and then try reloading Windows? You may have a corrupt installation, and reloading would certainly fix that.

It is kind of a drastic step, but if that is the problem, it will be quicker just to reload, and be done with the problem.

I sure hope this helps you.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org
servant@nazareneisrael.org

[Lee Hayward]

i cant render still, i am thinking of buying a new laptop to handle this type of situation what would you reccoment im thinking of something along the lines of a laptop with 8gb ram and a quad core.

that sound good? because a quad core must have its benefits over a dual core when editing and rendering HD.

any websites and laptops you would think could be ideal for this, also for normal activtys such as browsing the web and photoshop…

[Norman Willis]

desktop would be waaaay better,
unless you absolutely must have the mobility.
google https://www.johnrofrano.com, and see what he recommends for system specs. He is “mister Vegas”
shalom

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org
servant@nazareneisrael.org

[Norman Willis]

use your existing laptop to browse the web, and to do emails, then load only essential programs on your desktop, and keep it off the Internet as much as possible. That way you don’t get hit by a virus.

HP and Ibuypower make good machines with standard parts. Dell uses non-standard parts, which can cause problems.

I hope that helps.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org
servant@nazareneisrael.org

[John Rofrano]

> i am thinking of buying a new laptop to handle this type of situation what would you reccoment im thinking of something along the lines of a laptop with 8gb ram and a quad core.

That is going to cost you a small fortune. In fact, I would guess you could buy two desktops just as powerful for the price of one laptop. QuadCore laptops are hard to find and at a premium right now.

I would get a desktop unless you absolutely need the portability of a laptop. If so, don’t forget to get 7200RPM hard drives (the 5400RPM are kinda slow for video editing… they’ll get buy in a pinch but you really want 7200’s)

The Lenovo Thinkpad W700 is a nice system. Configured with a 2.53GHz Quad Core, 8GB of memory and a 250GB 7200RPM hard drive, it’s only $5,058.00 but it’s on sale this week for only $4,524.00. (maybe you could buy three (3) desktops for that price). 😉

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Lee Hayward]

thanks for the reply,
ive been looking around and wow these laptops are definately out of my price range by a mile.
i dont get why my pc is playing up so i got all the files and put it on a brand new laptop straight out of the shop 3gb ram core duo, and exactly the same thing happens so ive came to the conclusion that sony pro vegas 9 takes up alot more memory than pro 8 and because of this, it cannot render in HD also this project has much mre FX’s to render and the footage is all prerendered in clips rather than raw files.
so im trying to compress it and send it off to someones quad core pc, but all the files needed comes to 2GB with 115 files in 1 folder which when compressed is still 2GB.
so i stumped and a very frustrated as this should of been done ages ago. but thanks for the replys i gonna look at some ‘cheap’ but powerfull desktops to render and use for editing and either keep my laptop or sell it.

any desktops you recommend for HD editng and rendering in pro 9.
i dont want any problems like my laptop because it is an extremefully frustraing thing.