render work area

[Vincent Rosati]

Hmmm, it sounds like you know exactly what you are doing.
By “mark an in/out”, I assume you’re referring to the sliders that are just above the red line in the sequence. Correct?

Baffled

It shouldn’t make a difference, but try hitting Enter.

Vince

~The files are INSIDE the computer?

[Bret Williams]

I=mark in
o=mark out

Yes, they seem to do the same as adjusting the slider of the work area. I’ve tried moving it too.

I’ve tried hitting enter as well. Hmm.

Where to render files go anyway? What are preview files and all this other stuff Premiere writes to the project folder?

[Vincent Rosati]

The video & audio renders go to their respective folders defined in Edit/Pref’s/Scratch Discs… Previews.
So, if you have additional hard disks, you would want to use them to hold the preview directories.

Which partly answers your next question. The Conformed Audio folder is supposed to be for previews of any audio files that don’t match the project spec’s, but I think all imported audio (including the audio from A/V files) go in there.
You’ll notice the “Conforming…” progress bar, at the bottom of the Premiere interface when you import a file.
This should also be set to use a disk drive other than your project drive.

You can dump any of the Preview/Conformed files at any time, however the Conformed Audio would be recreated the next time you open the project.

If you create any titles in premiere, it will also create a Titles folder.

The Auto Save folder holds backups of your project, saved at intervals also specified in Preferences/Auto Save.

Back to your original question – According to the Sticky Post at the top of this forum, maybe you need to update Premiere for Leopard? Check it out. Otherwise, maybe post a thread in the Premiere Pro forum, something like “PP-CS3 Won’t Render Work Area in Mac Leopard”. There’s a lot more activity over there.

Vince

~The files are INSIDE the computer?

[Bret Williams]

Thanks for the info. I have updated to the Leopard version of Premiere. Came out just the other day. Newest QT and OS as well. All the software updates are empty.

Premiere also creates two other folders, Media Cache Files, and Encoded Files. Cache sounds like a preview, and Encoded sounds rendered. Yet it sounds like from what you said, Previewed is rendered. Bizarre. Looks like it’s still stuck in Premier 3.x days. That’s when I actually used Premiere a little for editing together bits of animation in our LINEAR suite if you can believe it. This was 1995! We had a guy doing 3D on an SGI machine. In the linear suites we had a PowerMac with an external hard drive and a special graphics card outputting video to the switcher from premiere. We’d pull the Quicktimes off the network from the sgi. Then we’d drop them in Premiere and play them back either live into the edit or onto a Betacam tape to edit from. Anyway, back then premiere couldn’t play anything back from the timeline without creating a “preview.” I guess the preview was low rez or something. Not like rendering a dissolve today. No real time effects back then.

[Vincent Rosati]

SGI! Jeez, I remember when that an unattainable mysterious force that existed… somewhere… out there. That sounds like it was a really cool experience. After linear, I started with Avid Video Shop an a Mac Performa – It took a great deal of care to avoid crashes and corrupted project files. 🙁

Total Training for Premiere covers a good bit of under-the-hood aspects of the old workhorse.

Regarding the Media Cache Files and Encoded Files, I’m on PP 1.5. I’ve never generated those directories.

Can you revert your update? How are you going to handle the issue?

Vince

~The files are INSIDE the computer?

[Bret Williams]

This is the first version of Premiere I’ve had. I’m really an FCP guy. But I’ve got Pro now when I updated to the Production Premium bundle, so I’m goofing around with it. So, can’t revert to anything else! Maybe the encoded files has something to do with Encore integration.

But PPro has a lot going for it, even if the interface isn’t so much to look at. 🙂

Another question. I can’t seem to get a list view in the bin with a thumbnail. I either get a list, or just the thumbnail. What I want, is the poster frame on the left, and the clip name, tc, etc. on the right. In FCP I can just choose the standard list view, then add the thumbnail column.

I’m really interested in the PS and AE integration. I’m going to start testing and see just how much info comes across from PS, and how much info exports to AE.

The titler is of course eons ahead of FCP. Actually, the titler from 3.x Premiere was light years ahead of FCP.

[Vincent Rosati]

Adobe integration is a big plus, for me too.

In PP 1.5, I get List view with no thumbnail, or Icon view with thumbnail. I’m not sure if there are other settings.

In List view, in your version of PP, I imagine there is still the Poster Frame preview, just above the list?
Access the options by clicking the triangle drop-down button on the top right of the project window. But, I’m not sure if there’s a configuration that is exactly what you are looking for.

Note: By scrubbing through a clip in the Poster Frame, than clicking the camera icon, you can set a specific frame in the clip as the Poster, which may help you.

Vince

[Bret Williams]

Funny how the tiniest things can make an entire program useless. I couldn’t edit professionally with the program due to my workflow and desire for both a thumbnail and information. Call me crazy.

That seems like either the setting must exist or it’s a crazy oversight. Much easier to scroll through a list of items and see the thumbnail than to try and read a column or description. For example, you’ll looking for that one broll shot amongst a bunch of interview shots. It stands out pretty clear. It might stand out in thumbnail view too, but in general I like to sort my bins different ways as well. By scene, by tc, and by name, depending on what I’m searching for or editing. Also, adding the thumbnail spaces out the listing, making it easier to read (in FCP that is).

[Grant Fergus]

thanks guys interesting thread,

If anyone has any more info on the pros and cons of different NLE programs I’d be interesting in reading that 🙂

I’ve got CS4 on a PC and use premiere but I’ve used FCP quite a bit too,

Premiere seems to have a bad reputation for not being as good as others or at least being plagued with “annoying oversights”.

Any thoughts?

Also I’d like to learn more about what premiere is doing with files and how to streamline my workflow so that I’m not using unnecessary disk space with obsolete renders etc,

Someone recommended at premiere tutorial above, if you have any more suggestions for gaining insight into the inner workings of premiere that would be appreciated,

thanks
Grant 🙂