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  • Removing Strange Pulldown Patterns

    Posted by Sean Oneil on April 1, 2008 at 4:25 am

    Anyone know of a good way to do non-standard pulldown?

    I have this old TV show (from the 60’s) shot on film that was given to me on Digibeta. I think it was telecined to NTSC, then converted to PAL, then converted back to NTSC. It has what is essentially a 6:5 pulldown pattern. I normally use JES or Nattress – neither of which can handle this.

    I’ll probably just convert to 30p if I can’t figure anything else out. But since this is ultimately for the web, that useless 6 redundant frames per second eats into the quality/size ratio for the various web compressions I need to deliver.

    Any ideas? There’s over 20 tapes and no budget for a Teranex or anything like that.

    Sean Oneil replied 18 years, 1 month ago 3 Members · 3 Replies
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  • Bouke Vahl

    April 1, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Im facing a similar problem with 24 to 25, with a 12-13 pulldown. (every alternating 12 / 13 frame a frame is introduced with one field duplicated. Thus i have interlaced frames on half of them (or, field reversed progressive frames)

    What i’m working on right now is kinda complicated, but fun.
    Using a key image (1 pixel horizontal black/white lines) to key the original with the original at a 1 frame offset.
    Thus restoring the field reversed frames.

    Next is a macro to cut out the unwanted frames.

    You could do something similar, but if the cadence is not constant you will go nuts….

    hth

    Bouke

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  • Matthew Nelson

    April 1, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    [Sean ONeil] “I think it was telecined to NTSC, then converted to PAL, then converted back to NTSC.”

    If this is the case any field/frame relation with the source 24P was blown away when the 29.97 telecine was PAL converted. The standards conversion process generates its own unique fields/frames.

    Matt

  • Sean Oneil

    April 2, 2008 at 12:27 am

    [Matthew Nelson] “If this is the case any field/frame relation with the source 24P was blown away when the 29.97 telecine was PAL converted. The standards conversion process generates its own unique fields/frames. “

    True, but it can still be repaired. There are tools capable of deinterlacing anything, and there are tools which can intelligently remove duplicate frames and output a desired framerate. Unfortunately I can’t find an app that combines both techniques in order to solve this particular problem.

    Good news is I contacted the author of JES and he says he’ll be able to add this feature.

    Sean

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