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RedShark News: Opinion: Which are the best NLEs right now?
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[Walter Soyka] “Have you ever worked on an HP Z800-series workstation? They have some plastic baffles and cowls which are admittedly not as shiny as that all-metal Apple construction, but in terms of actual serviceability, I think the design is superior. That old Apple chassis is “less tool” where as HP’s is actually “tool-less.””
Yes, and I really like the Z800 build. I checked them out at NAB and was very impressed with their build quality. If I had to buy a PC instead of build one, I would definitely buy an HP Z800 and when people ask me for recommendations for Windows PC’s I always recommend the HP Z800 series. So I’m with you on that one.
[Walter Soyka] “Ask some new Mac Pro users running Resolve about Apple stability and support…”
Ahh… so this is a Resolve/Apple issue. That’s unfortunate. I downloaded Resolve Lite but haven’t had a chance to play with it yet.
[Walter Soyka] “The last time I had a problem with an Apple laptop motherboard, it had to get shipped out, repaired, and shipped back, after I had to lug it to the mall.”
My experience has been that the Apple Store has been able to fix my laptop while I shop at the mall. I’ve only had a display changed. I doubt HP would come to my house to fix my computer so being able to bring a compute to the Apple Store is an advantage to me as is having Apple Guru’s to talk to.
~jr
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[John Rofrano] “I doubt HP would come to my house to fix my computer”
I think they will if you buy a warranty with on-site support.
[John Rofrano] “being able to bring a compute to the Apple Store is an advantage to me as is having Apple Guru’s to talk to.”
Yes, you’re absolutely right that Apple’s retail stores are a plus for mainstream repairs and maintenance.
Walter Soyka
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[Peter J. DeCrescenzo] “In my case, it’s because Apple currently doesn’t offer a solution appropriate to my needs, preferences, and budget. Not this time.”
Why wouldn’t running Windows under Bootcamp on your Mac not solve this for you? (just curious)
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[Steve Connor] “So do you plan to use Resolve as your only NLE?”
Yes, primarily.
I don’t hire myself out as an editor, but on occasion I edit small projects I shoot, either for $ or personal projects. I never edit with a client present. Most of what I shoot is edited by someone else.
I may continue using FCP 7 on my >4 yr. old MBP-17 for 1080p ProRes projects, especially if I need to do so out in the field. I love FCP7, but it’s slow on my MBP-17. I really don’t like FCPX, so that’s not an option for me.
As described in my previous posts & blog, the full version of Resolve was included with my BMPC-4K camera, so I’d like to use it. The new editing features in Resolve 11 are already adequate for my needs, and I assume BMD will add more edit features in the next version (free upgrade).
My MBP-17 is getting long in the tooth and can’t run Resolve at all, or even FCPX effectively, and possibly not the next Mac OS after Yosemite. I need to buy a new computer soon, but can’t afford a maxed-out iMac or Mac Pro.
So, in my case, Resolve 11 on a DIY Windows PC could be a good solution.
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[Peter J. DeCrescenzo] “I don’t hire myself out as an editor, but on occasion I edit small projects I shoot, either for $ or personal projects. I never edit with a client present. Most of what I shoot is edited by someone else.
I may continue using FCP 7 on my MBP-17 for 1080p ProRes projects.
“Sounds like you’re making a sensible choice then!
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[John Rofrano] “Why wouldn’t running Windows under Bootcamp on your Mac not solve this for you? (just curious)”
My current Mac is a >4 yr. old MBP-17, so running Windows on it would be of no value for me.
I already own the full version of Resolve, and I’m not interested in renting/leasing software from Adobe (although I probably would prefer Premiere’s UI over FCPX).
(See my previous posts & blog for details).
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[Peter J. DeCrescenzo] “My current Mac is a >4 yr. old MBP-17, so running Windows on it would be of no value for me. “
An alternate solution may be buying a used Mac Pro. I just purchased a 2010 Mac Pro 2.93 Ghz 12-Core, 24 GB memory, 1TB Boot + 6TB RAID 5 w/Apple RAID Card, ATI Radeon HD 5870 GPU, for $2,275. I’m guessing that might run Resolve 11 on Windows Bootcamp comfortably.
In other words, why build a Windows PC when you can get a last-gen Mac Pro for a good price and run Windows on it when needed. They have lots of life left in them.
~jr
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[John Rofrano] “An alternate solution may be buying a used Mac Pro. I just purchased a 2010 Mac Pro 2.93 Ghz 12-Core, 24 GB memory, 1TB Boot + 6TB RAID 5 w/Apple RAID Card, ATI Radeon HD 5870 GPU, for $2,275. I’m guessing that might run Resolve 11 on Windows Bootcamp comfortably. In other words, why build a Windows PC when you can get a last-gen Mac Pro for a good price and run Windows on it when needed. They have lots of life left in them.”
Working with 4K in Resolve 11 (especially RAW) requires 1 or 2 fast GPU cards with at least 4GB memory on the video cards. I believe the Radeon card you mention only has 1GB.
The system I’m considering building has a modern 6-core i7-5930K 3.5GHz CPU with “40 lanes” for effecient support of 2 big, modern, fast GPU cards on a x16 bus. I suspect it’ll be faster & more expandable (can upgrade everything, including the motherboard!) compared to a 4 yr. old Mac Pro, given my intended use.
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[Peter J. DeCrescenzo] “Working with 4K in Resolve 11 (especially RAW) requires 1 or 2 fast GPU cards with at least 4GB memory on the video cards. I believe the Radeon card you mention only has 1GB.”
That’s correct. With that kind of GPU requirement you really need a nMP or a PC.
~jr
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Okay, I think it’s time to hear from the viewpoint of the “Dinosaurs” and “Old Farts.” I am well qualified to speak for both of those categories. First off, Dinosaurs didn’t die off because they couldn’t adapt, they died off because someone threw a very big rock at their house. And “Old Farts” are perfectly able to keep up with you young whippersnappers. I started out on a Moviola Upright and then graduated on my second film to a highly technical Steenbeck Flatbed. In the mid 90’s I was a beta tester for Macromedia and had a version of Adobe PP (which I hated). I beta tested both Purple and KeyGrip (the forerunner to FCP). I was an early adopter of FCP 1.0 and had every iteration up to FCP 7. I was also a moderator on Creative Cow for Soundtrack Pro and LiveType (as well as the first third party developer of fonts for LiveType). To be honest, I was a little apprehensive about the jump from 7 to X, but I figured what the hell and took off my shoes and jumped right in. Now when clients want me to work with FCP7, my rate jumps about 40% versus FCPX. If I am made to sit and watch that damned “Writing video and audio” dialogue, I want to be paid to do it. I started on FCPX 1.0 and have never looked back. The deeper I dig into it, the farther I still have to dig. It’s akin to driving an old gas guzzler with a lot of modifications and updates or driving a Tesla, with new technology and a lot of room for future growth? By the way, this old fart will be 70 this summer, and I’m still doing 90 mph down the road.
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